From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 23:49:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A03106566B for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CB78FC12 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph5.telenor.se (iph5.telenor.se [195.54.127.136]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F6CD7E5 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:11 +0100 (CET) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: [samuel.magnusson5@bredband.net] X-SENDER-IP: [85.230.94.246] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQeALQQu05V5l72PGdsb2JhbAAMOKo8AQEBATeCJAEBAQECAXgGCwshFg8JAwIBAgEbFgYBDRMGAgEBh363eol/BKYY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,486,1315173600"; d="scan'208,217";a="69125527" Received: from c-f65ee655.021-6-6d6c6d11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.102]) ([85.230.94.246]) by iph5.telenor.se with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2011 00:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBB117F.5010409@bredband.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:19 +0100 From: Samuel Magnusson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EB88225.9020702@bredband.net> <20111108205600.7a8e0205.freebsd@edvax.de> <20111108215114.24d336e6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4EBA5EBD.7020501@bredband.net> <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> In-Reply-To: <86pqh1njww.fsf@kropotkin.hack.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: X server and xinit works excellent....almost. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:49:13 -0000 Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02: > Samuel Magnusson, 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100): >> Now I'm curious: >> >> Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will >> override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons >> that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf? > What new style XML method? > > AFAIK the more modern X.org X servers uses the Linux udev instead of > HAL. Those servers are not yet available on FreeBSD but presumably it > would be possible to use devd for the same purpose. I'm referring to what Polytropon said about all the "new" stuff required by X. As I understood him he was talking about the XML-files to give directions to HAL, and he used quotes so I think he meant "supposedly new", or just newer than the classic configuration file but already the "old new", as he seem to agree with you that HAL is on it's way out and should be avoided if possible. > /Perhaps you can file a Problem Report (PR) with a suggested text? > I suggest you add the text to the handbook since /I /assume the X.org project > won't touch manual pages for the ancient X servers we use in FreeBSD. / As I understand you, the man-pages from Xorg that are in FreeBSD are not allowed to be altered unless the Xorg project do it themselves, and they won't do it because they have other more current things to do than updating deprecated documents? If so, maybe if just asked they would allow some modifications be done to it? Anyway, I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD X server was "ancient" and different from any other. :) But I'm a rookie so far.. I was actually thinking when struggling with this that I should learn this X keyboard configuration thoroughly and try to write a beginners tutorial, fail-safe and step by step to help avoiding these traps as I would know whats difficult to understand for a beginner. But I will have to learn a bit more first in that case so I'm not just easy to understand but also correct. I'll study your guide, thanks for the link! Also a good beginners tutorial on the fonts would be good, because as I understand it there is also an "old" and a "new" way with the core fonts and the font server, some methods belonging to one and some to the other. And migrating from Windows and Mac might be discouraging if there isn't a working desktop with visible text at least within an hour or two after installation. :) But if I do produce something, where should I send the PR and text? Cheers /Samuel