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Date:      Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:24:48 +1100
From:      Mark.Andrews@isc.org
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Matthew Whelan <muttley@gotadsl.co.uk>, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net>, andrew.cowan@hsd.com.au, "Nate Williams" <nate@yogotech.com>, "Freebsd-Stable" <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Proposed Solution To Recent "firewall_enable" Thread. [Please Read] 
Message-ID:  <200201310124.g0V1Oms10734@drugs.dv.isc.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:42:03 -0800." <200201310042.g0V0g3255325@apollo.backplane.com> 

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> :It's possible that the nature of the rules precludes loading them via 
> :rc.conf's firewall_* variables - Warner, for example, has a real-life 
> :example of this in his network.
> 
>     ... In which case it is utterly trivial to configure rc.conf such 
>     that the ipfw rules aren't changed.  You don't have to make 'NO' do
>     nothing in order to accomplish that.
> 
>     NO in this context is very clear:  I don't want firewall rules, not
>     even the default deny.  It should put the computer into the same 
>     effective state no matter how the kernel is compiled.

	In your opinion.

	Personally I find the current behaviour perfectly consistant
	and don't want it to change, i.e. NO does nothing.  However
	I'm not going to rant and rave about it if it does change.

	Make the variable tri-state, i.e. add DISABLE.  Document it
	and be done.  Start your own distribution if you don't like
	how its being done.

	In otherwords stop complaining about it.  It's clear that
	the meaning of NO is not going to change for stable.  This
	whole discussion should die.

	Mark

>     I find it quite unbelievable that people are even arguing over this.
>     It's as though some people WANT to make rc.conf as obfuscated and
>     confusing as possible.
> 
> 						-Matt

	
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