From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 30 18:22:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D54237B401 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5DE43EA9 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0373.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.118] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TC3D-00002x-00; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:22:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3E10FF20.117C34D8@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:21:20 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: David Schultz , dever@getaclue.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <200212310037.gBV0bH177154@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a46741d75f312dde1f4704df68020f7566350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > I agree with this somewhat, however I am loathe to make cost dependent > in any way on content. In order to preserve the status quo of > communication, I'd like to be absolutely content neutral. If the cost > were based on the amount of mail sent, I'd say that would be > sufficient. The USPS has already tried, once in the past, to charge postage for email sent, when email looked to be destroying their business model (charge a lot of postage for personal communications to subsidize delivery of papers, magazines, and advertising, and carry a lot of the latter, in order to ensure that personnel utilization remains high enough to justify headcount). So... if it were at all feasible to use your approach, then why did the cost of first class stamps go up, but the cost of a bulk mail permit not go up, about a month ago? IMO, the reason is that there is political favoritism involved, and unless you can get that out of the process, your suggested approach is infeasible. What we need is something that works *in spite of* people's predelictions, not something that denies the existance of them. > > (BTW, do you think you could fix your reference headers before you > > get into another mega-discussion with Terry, so it's easier for me > > to find the entertaining parts? ;-) > > Heh. I'm using the mailing list, which is perhaps why references > headers (an artifact of NNTP) don't process here. I'm using the mailing list, as well. The "In-Reply-To:" header is based on the "Message-Id:" of the message being replied to. I suggest you look at RFC 2822. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message