From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 14:10:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7262E332996 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100090aa577.8799c188f3d4bbd6c4cfc3c8dd82cb10@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jQjk0SR2z3SqJ for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100090aa577.8799c188f3d4bbd6c4cfc3c8dd82cb10@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1591884618; x=1594476618; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=5bRqUvxourUK0T4uzwGTcFR60at7qb2g+spvCOi66iU=; b=tTZPth5psZQcP25TLLnmgzrXvXa7TlDlnHX/Gm57EPAww7Hsv+xoo6xQUHsjaZF2cKhSwyNVCBxObcPXpXEI4XY27nkXg24gTux1hriLYOH3gydQBI1+0UYeIj+JRgVSqSkqnJEOMs4Lm7uN1ZpRGzL+Nm1Beik71+laAHE2pf4= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDkwYWE1NzcuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:10:12 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:10:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jjNuA-0002Va-N7; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:10:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:10:06 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Yuri Pankov , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200611151006.6fd1b33af49b7b07e8f4994f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611112418.0bb0c896b685c84ed8d6a8f6@sohara.org> <20200611135639.0c07500e@archlinux> <36a71c5c-ccf0-d28d-c6c1-1d9c80873a12@yuripv.dev> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jQjk0SR2z3SqJ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=tTZPth5p; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100090aa577.8799c188f3d4bbd6c4cfc3c8dd82cb10@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100090aa577.8799c188f3d4bbd6c4cfc3c8dd82cb10@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.022]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.995]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.002]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100090aa577.8799c188f3d4bbd6c4cfc3c8dd82cb10@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100090aa577.8799c188f3d4bbd6c4cfc3c8dd82cb10@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:10:19 -0000 On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:15:04 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > So does every other GUI/web MUA. I don't know why it is so hard for the > FreeBSD community to get that conventions have changed (for better or > worse I don't know but they have). For the very simple reason that that have not changed. There is a different set of conventions appropriate in the corporate email context (and probably personal email but threads are less common there). To whit top posting and retention of complete context. Most modern MUAs default to supporting that convention since it is the more common use - that does not make it the right convention for all purposes. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith