From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 20:55:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17748721 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.canodus2.canodus.be (mail1.canodus2.canodus.be [83.149.89.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C960F20A0 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail1.canodus2.canodus.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8155032AD09; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:46:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail1.canodus2.canodus.be X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from [192.168.1.131] (94-224-50-199.access.telenet.be [94.224.50.199]) by mail1.canodus2.canodus.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38B1932AC39; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:46:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1405629960.2468.14.camel@debian.wout-t440s> Subject: Re: HOWTO articles for migrating from Linux to FreeBSD, especially for pkg? From: Wout =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Decr=E9?= To: Adrian Chadd Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:46:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <53C82EC4.8060304@gmail.com> Organization: Canodus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.2-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:58:43 +0000 Cc: Craig Rodrigues , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-current Current , ports , Navdeep Parhar X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:55:35 -0000 On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 13:21 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 17 July 2014 13:15, Navdeep Parhar wrote: > > On 07/17/14 13:12, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 17 July 2014 13:03, Alberto Mijares wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >>>> Hi! > >>>> > >>>> 3) The binary packages need to work out of the box > >>>> 4) .. which means, when you do things like pkg install apache, it > >>>> can't just be installed and not be enabled, because that's a bit of a > >>>> problem; > >>> > >>> > >>> No. Please NEVER do that! The user must be able to edit the files and > >>> start the service by himself. > >> > >> Cool, so what's the single line command needed to type in to start a > >> given package service? > > > > Aren't sysrc(8) and service(8) for this kind of stuff? > > Yup, and if the default is going to be off, then you want the > instructions to be "type this in", not "edit this file." > > There's odd things too, like "oh look I installed xorg, but then I > can't run it without enabling hald/dbus, then starting it.. oh wait, > no mouse, so I have to reboot for them to come up right" kind of crap. > > That's the kind of thing that turns people away. > I see your point, and agree that there should be clear instructions after installing a port/package. Most ports I install already do a good job at this. But I would not like anything to autostart just because I install it. Prefer to enable rather than disable something, or worse, having it autostart without knowing. That's the kind of thing that turned me to FreeBSD :-) > > > -a > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"