From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 21:23:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535C51065671 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3078FC18 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from 4.151.178.10.in-addr.arpa (m420e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57LMmPq061898; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.013 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.013 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.164, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.617] Message-Id: <05D1299E-D2F2-4FB8-BD0B-D30B29764612@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20080605220244.GP1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:22:41 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <48472DB6.5030909@samsco.org> <6010676B-91B0-4AF8-ACF8-039A59B29331@netconsonance.com> <200806050248.59229.max@love2party.net> <20080605083907.GD1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <902E9703E6E50776A17E9F92@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20080605220244.GP1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:23:00 -0000 On Jun 5, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I agree that he has made those statements - and those statements may > even be true. When asked to provide details of the bugs or references > to those problems, he has refused. Random, unsubstantiated claims are > hardly evidence of anything. I didn't refuse, I said it wasn't relevant. I also offered to provide the list and hardware and time resources for testing if any developer needed it after June 11 (ie when it was physically possible to do so) for anyone who wanted to chase the individual issues. But the individual issues aren't the problem. No single problem would usually warrant that kind of attention. It's the overall amount of issues that concerns me. > To summarise, so far the OP has made a series of unsubstantianted > claims about vaguely defined problems on vaguely defined hardware. > When asked for more details, he has refused. Exactly what do you > expect the FreeBSD developers to do? Perhaps answer the question which was asked, instead of trying to drag the conversation down into specific bug reports? No single specific bug report is relevant to the overall topic. Fixing a single bug won't improve the situation. Anyway, I've said this a dozen times now so I won't be repeating it. You are welcome to continue ignoring it. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness