From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 23 16:50:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6BFC1E225; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from le@main.put.com) Received: from main.put.com (main.put.com [12.144.5.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10903F8B; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from le@main.put.com) Received: from main.put.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by main.put.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id u9NGno8i069121; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (le@localhost) by main.put.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id u9NGnnEN069118; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Louis Epstein To: Alphons van Werven cc: , Subject: Re: Jive prejudices In-Reply-To: <20161023162556.GA66792@spectrum.skysmurf.nl> Message-ID: <20161023124730.H69026-100000@main.put.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:50:24 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2016, Alphons van Werven wrote: > Louis Epstein wrote: > > > In any event,portmaster -a -i updates now abort because misc/jive is > > detected on my system. > > > > This goes beyond "We will no longer provide this application" to > > "we will no longer let you upgrade your applications as long as you > > have this one installed". > > To be fair, I strongly doubt this is deliberate policy. > > Portmaster itself is a port too. When pkg(7) hit the streets and other > sweeping changes were made to the ports infrastructure, Portmaster had to > be updated and that might still be an ongoing process. In any case, Port- > master needs *some* way of dealing with broken(*) ports and I can imagine > that this can get tricky when dependencies are involved. From the looks of > it, Portmaster just takes the easy way out and simply bails completely > when it encounters a broken port. Does it matter that I installed it with pkg rather than portmaster or make install? > However, wouldn't using the option "-x misc/jive" help for the time being? adding that before or after the -a -i leads to the same abort. > Jive *will* be kept available through alternative means in a way that > Portmaster should be able to handle too. > > > You really need to have a hands-off policy on what software people use. > > To that I couldn't agree more. > > Fonz > > Ad (*): Here I mean broken in the broadest sense. Morality-fuelled censor- > ship is rare, but occasionally ports are unfetchable, have security holes, > fail to build or simply don't work. > > A.J. "Fonz" van Werven -=-=- The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again, at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.