From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 21 16:36:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C076923A99A for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail-40131.protonmail.ch (mail-40131.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48PHCm4XSfz3D4y for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:36:28 +0000 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20200221113030.700642ac@scorpio> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200220154101.GA53326@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <20200221010421.GA54290@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <20200221055139.GA969@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <20200221160938.e35b4ca4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200221113030.700642ac@scorpio> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PHCm4XSfz3D4y X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:36:36 -0000 =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Friday 21 February 2020 17:30, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:09:38 +0100, Polytropon stated: > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:14:09 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > > > This is exactly the reason why I have switched from nVidia to AMD > > > RADEON and planning no return!! > > > Because nVidia does not provide documentation nor support to > > > Open-Source, only binary blobs, you start to think that their drivers > > > are the best because "they just work"^TM. Nothing more misleading! > > > nVidia seems to have no respect in the Open-Source community. I was > > > also astonished with that being their 20 years long loyal customer. > > > When you look at the true Open-Source drivers, you will notice they > > > are poor and you cannot really do anything more with nVidia than just > > > display. > > > > Exactly my impression. While there are several (I think, 3) > > open source nVidia drivers, all of them have problems. Some > > just offer 3D graphics, others won't work in 64 bit OS mode, > > and others just freeze when being loaded. The binary blob is > > the only way to get proper 3D support. > > > > > Open-Source RADEON drivers in general are by some considered even > > > better than binary blobs provided by AMD. > > > > Interesting. This seems to be a "ride back to the past" where > > ATI (which was the typical brand name of the Radeon-type GPUs > > at that time) was always superior to nVidia: 3D support out of > > the box, with the standard drivers included with X. Then there > > was a time where nVidia was considered better than ATI / AMD > > (again, judging from the binary blob driver!), and today, AMD > > using the open source drivers seems to be the way to go. > > > > > Here comes the development of DRM layer that is something brand new > > > in FreeBSD that will support all new GPU in a truly Open-Source > > > fashion (but hey where does that firmware comes from??). > > > > Don't ask the firmware question. Don't ask any questions > > going below the visibility level. ;-) > > Interestingly enough, nVidia is the only card/driver combination that I > have ever gotten good results with. Part of the problem might be that > the version of the nVidia driver offered in the ports system is rarely > current, For instance, right now the port version is > nvidia-driver-440.31_1, while the latest version available for FreeBSD > -x64 is version 440.59. The port version was released 11/04/2019. Plus, > I wonder how many users actually download and use > the utilities for nVidia that are available in the ports system. Also, > I would be interested in what 'card' the end used is employing and > supposedly not receiving optimal results. If someone wants to test it we have a patch to update nvidia-driver to latest version: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D242177 Lorenzo Salvadore