From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:09:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09166106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rank1seeker@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886F18FC12 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4750432fxm.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:09:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer; bh=Kg0JMMo6T9ZI0rW5HyaPkTMZyslUlTWq0d4gBmSMP10=; b=WjEm8NYLw7FjrIeSrAwgX0O9pIzNHC3vheKYTLiZyh6fYstZ+MIpgJt8QT/P2tUiim dmZGqJ/vYhxP84q7TGtH/CU1LQVCrWc4XoIxpwpDa7w9VbJDQwahAQpdVy+1JAicBdpw rEJ6kPV94tIzN6W2u9j0SJKSeQq1XaHl5rh0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer; b=Bu/AZzi4RPr0evncnIDbwUKFWtgZZZUpgYIkfUTclMFn5RomSoq/1/6d6R6zz50vNG MuuFj4DEnfyMuAO77CZzQXSLqWhQ1dxXQa1m5SIrvnYFIXtLLtTWC0XswxyvZJdsCRLQ Ca1R+2d223S3l1JJ90A5paJlYk/iiAFfejEPA= Received: by 10.223.104.11 with SMTP id m11mr10557810fao.50.1286282864507; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DEV ([82.193.208.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a6sm2829125faa.20.2010.10.05.05.47.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20101005.124823.093.1@DEV> From: rank1seeker@gmail.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Alexander Leidinger" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:48:23 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20101005113423.10801orcw6xef9s0@webmail.leidinger.net> References: <20101004122325.11342p9v1rnwp6w4@webmail.leidinger.net> <20101004123629.GA4308@straylight.ringlet.net> <20101005113423.10801orcw6xef9s0@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Mailer: POP Peeper (3.7.0.0) Cc: Subject: Re: Improve OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:09:59 -0000 ----- Original Message -----=0D=0AFrom: Alexander Leidinger = =0D=0ATo: Gonzalo Nemmi = =0D=0ACc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org=0D=0ADate: Tue, = 05 Oct 2010 11:34:23 +0200=0D=0ASubject: Re: Improve = OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc=0D=0A=0D=0A> Quoting Gonzalo Nemmi = (from Tue, 5 Oct 2010 =0D=0A> 01:30:00 +0200):=0D=0A> = =0D=0A> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Paul B Mahol = wrote:=0D=0A> >> On 10/4/10, Peter Pentchev = wrote:=0D=0A> >>> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:01:45AM +0000, Paul B Mahol = wrote:=0D=0A> >>>> On 10/4/10, Alexander Leidinger = wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> >>>> > At least = status-mailq is still useful with other MTAs, e.g. if you use=0D=0A> >>>> = > postfix (and assuming the mailwrapper is configured correctly), = this=0D=0A> >>>> > should still work. Depending on the setup of the = aliases,=0D=0A> >>>> > backup-aliases will still work too. I haven't = checked for the other=0D=0A> >>>> > ones.=0D=0A> >>>>=0D=0A> >>>> If you = want to keep some "old" files, you just need to press `n' instead=0D=0A> = >>>> of `y'=0D=0A> >>>> when deleting files. You are not forced to run = make delete-old at all.=0D=0A> >>>=0D=0A> >>> On the other hand, doing = this (skipping those files) on each and every=0D=0A> >>> system=0D=0A> = >>> update (say, on a development or testing machine) could get a bit... = boring=0D=0A> >>> -=0D=0A> >>> not to mention that at some point you'll = learn to "oh, just say no", and=0D=0A> >>> then=0D=0A> >>> forget to = remove something important.=0D=0A> >>=0D=0A> >> Oh! I see... I want it in = black.=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Hold your horses there ... get it to work as = expected and then,=0D=0A> > _and_only_then_ you can start raising your = finger and accussing poster=0D=0A> > of bikesheding ...=0D=0A> > As it = stands, _it_sucks_ and I have already pointed it out before=0D=0A> > = without much success (something as useless as telnet wasn=B4t deleted = a=0D=0A> > not so long time ago) ... Peter Pentchev=B4s point was a = completely=0D=0A> > valid one.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> As the one who wrote the = functionailty: The delete-old stuff is =0D=0A> designed to delete stuff = which was installed by an installworld (or =0D=0A> similar) before, but = is not installed by installworld (or similar) =0D=0A> now. As there may = be old programs around which depend upon such a file =0D=0A> or = directory, you have to explicitely tell if you are ok to delete it = =0D=0A> or not (it is the responsability of the administrator to make = sure =0D=0A> everything is OK). If you are sure no program still depends = upon it =0D=0A> (make check-old), you can specify = -DBATCH_DELETE_OLD_FILES to delete =0D=0A> everything without being = asked (see "man build").=0D=0A> =0D=0A> As we've read in this thread that = the files I would like to keep are =0D=0A> not installed by an = installworld if the corresponding option is =0D=0A> specified, the patch = is 100% correct and Peter and you want to use =0D=0A> delete-old for = something it was not designed for (and I should discuss =0D=0A> = somewhere else to install the files I talked about even if the =0D=0A> = corresponding option is specified).=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Bye,=0D=0A> = Alexander.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A~2 months ago I've opened a thread called: = Deinstalling parts of base=0D=0ATake a look here:=0D=0A = http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D17860=0D=0A=0D=0ADomagoj=0D=0A