From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 19 16:27:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930F81065673 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D338FC1C for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so956911gxk.13 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.231.4 with SMTP id jo4mr63761qcb.22.1282233654319; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.95.145 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.203.58.222] In-Reply-To: <20100818134341.GA88861@johnny.reilly.home> References: <4C6505A4.9060203@FreeBSD.org> <4C650B75.3020800@FreeBSD.org> <4C651192.9020403@FreeBSD.org> <4C673898.2080609@FreeBSD.org> <20100818134341.GA88861@johnny.reilly.home> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Andrew Reilly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Doug Barton , Ivan Voras , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:27:51 -0000 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Andrew Reilly wro= te: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> got any other suggestions? > > This is very much a "sorry I asked" question, but is none-the > less quite a good one, given the size of the hole to be plugged. > > I think that a reasonable answer for this sort of thing might be > one of the dynamic languages that compiles to C, like (perhaps) > one of the schemes (chicken, gambit-C, bigloo, etc). =A0You get > the benefit of flexibility and dynamism with good regexp and > data structure ability, good performance, and only requiring the > build tools available in the base system, as long as you don't > want to be the developer: just ship the C code (as well as the > source, of course). > > Unfortunately it seems that quite a lot of people have issues > with lisp syntax these days. +1 for a scheme shell, but not for the heavy-weight variety that compiles to C, as that would tie them to a subset of ${ARCH}es. After all LISP-like syntax is *still* more common and prevalent than Lua, e.g. in Elisp, guile, esh, scsh and a lot of other apps that use it as a small language. So we can expect more users to be at least partially familiar with it. And there *are* lightweight MIT- or BSD-licensed scheme interpreters out there too: http://community.schemewiki.org/?scheme-faq-standards#implementations -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/