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Date:      Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From:      John Bleichert <syborg@stny.rr.com>
To:        FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? (was: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [support groups])
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301105180.3384-100000@janeway.vonbek.dhs.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020730023631.GI27401@wantadilla.lemis.com>

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My Mom runs RedHat at home and uses Mozilla for her web broswing and 
email. It couldn't be any easier. Same for FreeBSD. When I upgrade her PC 
this year I may make it a FreeBSD box. For an entry level user who only 
requires basic web/email access, either Mozilla or the stock KDE apps are 
fine.

I'm not bashing GNOME or Evolution, but for standard low-tech email using 
Evolution is like using a dumptruck to go grocery shopping ...

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:06:31 +0930
> From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
> To: Ed Yu <edlyu@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Jud <jud@myrealbox.com>, Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com, mwvw@adelphia.net,
>      FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? (was: Peter heads back
>     to M$FT WinBloze [support groups])
> 
> [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html]
> 
> On Monday, 29 July 2002 at 19:16:10 -0700, Ed Yu wrote:
> > I have used mutt and I liked it but I think for
> > instant-workstation, evolution would be more
> > appropriate.
> 
> Is that what you're using?  The text you send is badly broken.  I
> wouldn't want to recommend that to anybody.
> 
> > I have noticed also that new users seems to prefer galeon a lot as
> > well.
> 
> That's a web browser.
> 
> Greg
> 
> > --- Jud <jud@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:00:16 +0930
> >> Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>> The real
> >>> problem I have is knowing which of the over 7,000
> >> ports you want
> >>> to install to get "basic" desktop functionality.
> >> Some time ago
> >>> I created the "instant-workstation" port, but
> >> didn't make much
> >>> noise about it.  instant-workstation basically
> >> installs a number
> >>> of dependent ports (see below for a list) and then
> >> does some
> >>> minor configuration.  Over the past couple of days
> >> I've been
> >>> installing a brand new machine (laptop) for a
> >> friend, and I've
> >>> been looking at the rough edges.  Here's what I've
> >> found:
> >>>
> >>> 1.  Some of the dependent ports don't build
> >> cleanly.  This
> >>> obviously
> >>>     requires some attention.
> >>> 2.  "instant" is a misnomer, at least if you build
> >> from source.
> >>> I'm
> >>>     building on a Dell Inspiron 7500 with a 600
> >> MHz processor,
> >>>     and it takes over 12 hours.
> >>> 3.  Once it's built, it works "out of the box".
> >> I've installed
> >>> the
> >>>     XFree86 4 port, and installation is really
> >> nothing more than
> >>>     this:
> >>>
> >>>     # X -configure
> >>>     # mv /root/XF86Config.new /etc
> >>>     # echo exec kdestart > ~me/.xinitrc
> >>>
> >>>     You can then run startx or xdm and end up in a
> >> relatively
> >>>     complete kde environment.
> >>>
> >>> So what's in instant-workstation?  Currently I
> >> have:
> >>>
> >>> 	acroread
> >>> 	bash
> >>> 	cdrecord
> >>> 	dos2unix
> >>> 	emacs
> >>> 	fetchmail
> >>> 	gs
> >>> 	grip
> >>> 	gimp
> >>> 	gv
> >>> 	gpg
> >>> 	ispell
> >>> 	startkde
> >>> 	mkisofs
> >>> 	mount_smbfs
> >>> 	mutt
> >>> 	netscape
> >>> 	xtset
> >>> 	xmms
> >>> 	xv
> >>>
> >>> My questions to you: is there anything missing?
> >> Has anybody
> >>> tried instant-workstation?  I'd be interested in
> >> suggestions
> >>> about how to improve it.
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>
> >> I haven't tried instant-workstation, so of course
> >> I'll rush in
> >> where angels fear to tread.
> >>
> >> One of the instant-workstation ports I have not
> >> tried is mutt,
> >> though I've read much praise for it and no negatives
> >> that I can
> >> recall.  I wonder, though, whether a gui mail
> >> application might be
> >> a good choice for this "target market," in addition
> >> to, instead
> >> of, or as another choice besides mutt.  Sylpheed
> >> happens to be
> >> the one I prefer, and it seems to be well liked by
> >> many other
> >> users.  Speaking as someone who didn't know a thing
> >> about Unix a
> >> couple of years ago (and hasn't improved on the
> >> situation all that
> >> much since:), it was very easy to learn.
> >>
> >> Another place where options might be appreciated is
> >> browsers -
> >> perhaps Galeon, Opera, Mozilla?  And Lynx I think is
> >> excellent for
> >> getting around on the Net at times when one doesn't
> >> want to or
> >> can't be in X.
> >>
> >> Perhaps that's taken care of by w3m (I don't
> >> remember ATM whether
> >> that's part of the default emacs install)?  That
> >> brings me to my
> >> last and likely most controversial thought.  Emacs
> >> does everything
> >> but bake blueberry muffins, but it might be more
> >> intimidating (or
> >> puzzling - took me awhile just to understand what
> >> "M-x"
> >> meant) than useful to someone fairly new to Unix.
> >> It does take a
> >> while to build and install (and download, for those
> >> of us on
> >> dial-ups).  And the configuration options! - not
> >> exactly
> >> 'instant.'  If it's part of the install, it seems to
> >> me users will
> >> try it, and may wind up thinking "Jeez, this stuff
> >> is hard" as a
> >> first impression of FreeBSD.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Jud
> >>
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