From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 29 23:25:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F051065673; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@icir.org) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14718FC19; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@icir.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18392AA19B; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:25:11 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: OCOV0YHJst2endcUas7HBmBCINyZGEUQiEHnQ13zZiiO 1204327510 Received: from empiric.lon.incunabulum.net (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20B9F23F47; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:25:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47C89455.1060203@icir.org> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:25:09 +0000 From: "Bruce M. Simpson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <47C39948.3080907@elischer.org> <47C4BB96.80804@icir.org> <86d4qh2u13.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86d4qh2u13.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:50:23 +0000 Cc: Marko Zec , Marko Zec , Marko Zec , Julian Elischer , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: warning of pending commit attempt. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:25:12 -0000 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Bruce M. Simpson" writes: > =20 >> * Do you mean to say that IMUNES/vimage has expanded beyond merely >> wrapping the network stack and virtualizing that? >> >> If this is the case (it introduces some new virtualization technique >> on par with the functionality of e.g. Xen) then I outright DISAGREE >> with its introduction into the source tree on the grounds that it's >> too experimental. >> =20 > > Well, it's only been discussed and developed and presented at every > single BSD conference for the last, oh, three years or so, so yes, it's= > obviously highly immature and experimental code. > =20 My point above was referring to the ambiguity present in Julian's=20 message to the list, which seemed to suggest the remit of vimage had=20 increased beyond network virtualization. How often a given topic is discussed is not analogous to in-depth=20 testing. Surely someone as experienced as yourself is aware of this. Are = you sure you read my message fully before responding to this thread? > I'll have my virtual bikeshed blue, if you please. > =20 I observe that your definition of the term bikeshed seems very subjective= =2E Nothing wrong with "Are you sure Y/N", to my mind, and if one further=20 re-reads this thread, one will see that there are issues around vimage=20 which have had to be teased out from others, and addressed, which Marko=20 has already responded to. regards, BMS