From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 18:50:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDB11065672; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EF514DDC9; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EF22A82.3090305@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:50:42 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kargl References: <201111291946.pATJkHMs064094@svn.freebsd.org> <20111220171740.X1005@besplex.bde.org> <8CCE4DDE-B203-42FF-A2FA-9106403DE077@FreeBSD.org> <201112200908.57306.jhb@freebsd.org> <4EF13F23.9060601@FreeBSD.org> <4EF14833.1090601@FreeBSD.org> <20111221045537.GA99900@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20111221055932.GA250@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20111221055932.GA250@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett Cooper , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Ben Kaduk Subject: Re: svn commit: r228143 - in head: . share/mk tools/build/options X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:50:43 -0000 On 12/20/2011 9:59 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:30:10PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Steve Kargl >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:45:07PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 12/20/2011 18:29, Ben Kaduk wrote: >>>>> 2011/12/20 Doug Barton : >>>>>> On 12/20/2011 06:08, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>>>> The defaults for src.conf should be for the common case >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. The problem we seem to be missing here is that developers are >>>>>> not even statistically significant in measuring "the common case." >>>>> >>>>> "The common case" of what, though? ?"People using src.conf", or >>>>> "people rebuilding world", or just "people using FreeBSD"? >>>> >>>> The latter of course. The overwhelming majority of FreeBSD users will >>>> never use profiled libs, and in fact don't even know what they are. It's >>>> just useless space being taken up on every install. The defaults should >>>> be sensible for our users. >>> >>> OK, Doug, we get it! You don't like profiled libraries. >>> You don't use them, and by extension the 'common user' >>> does not use them. It's not about me. :) (And by extension, it's not about you either.) >> The point that I was trying to drive home (that I think Doug is as well) is: >> - How many FreeBSD users are developers/performance/test engineers who >> care about this stuff being compiled into the base system? > > Don't know. I haven't seen a statistically meaningful poll of > the FreeBSD user base on which to draw an answer. I suspect that > neither you nor Doug have seen such a poll. Oh please. It doesn't take a poll to know that the overwhelming majority of FreeBSD installs are servers or end-user systems. > Neither the time to build profiled libraries nor the diskspace > used is significant. Great, so why is it such a problem for you to build them? Doug -- [^L] Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/