Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 01:48:05 -0400 From: George Neville-Neil <gnn@neville-neil.com> To: Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Alexander Kabaev <kabaev@gmail.com>, Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls Message-ID: <557D1595.1000104@neville-neil.com> In-Reply-To: <20150613191639.GO73119@FreeBSD.org> References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <C88CB169-12FE-4692-92AA-5C7D41BB61DF@FreeBSD.org> <20150613191639.GO73119@FreeBSD.org>
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On 06/13/2015 15:16, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:38:11AM -0400, David Chisnall wrote: > D> > If you would have told me a year ago that you had a simple scheme that > D> > could make 30 years of experience maintaining code for unix-like systems > D> > completely worthless I would have been skeptical, but it seems we're > D> > well on our way. > D> > D> There is a lot of heckling and unhelpful hyperbole in this thread. Reading the xo_emit format strings takes a little bit of getting used to, but the same is true of printf - it’s just that we’re already used to printf. The structured parts (xo_open_container, xo_close_container and friends) are clear and descriptive. The changes are fairly invasive, but the benefits are also very large for anyone who is wanting to automate administration of FreeBSD systems. > D> > D> If you have suggestions for how the libxo APIs could be improved, then please let us know - Phil is very reception to suggestions but objections along the lines of ‘it’s not what I’m used to and changes sometimes break things so we should never have changes’ are not helpful. > > I would agree with David. After xo_emit format is learned, reading sources > of converted programs isn't a big deal. > > All the problems with converted utilities are due to very bad quality of > initial conversion commits. > Can this whole conversation be moved out of the commits list and onto arch@ where it belongs? Best, George
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