From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 13:05:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F1616A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pcnet.com (mail.pcnet.com [204.213.232.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF2643FDD for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: from mail.pcnet.com (mail.pcnet.com [204.213.232.4]) by mail.pcnet.com (8.12.8/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h8AK5sA4018921; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Eischen X-Sender: eischen@pcnet5.pcnet.com To: Michael Nottebrock In-Reply-To: <3F5F2774.9010408@gmx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quo vadis, -CURRENT? (recent changes to cc & compatibility) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: deischen@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:05:56 -0000 On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > Sorry if this sounds a bit flame-ish, but the way I see it we now have a > system compiler in -CURRENT that doesn't even compile a hello world if > -pedantic is specified and breaks with lots of existing software out there > that tries to use a threads library because -pthread errors out (why could > this change not have been made _after_ 4.9 is out the door, btw.? Or before > 5.0-R FWIW.) It should have been made 2 years ago, a few months after libc_r became disconnected from libc. There was a whole thread about how ports should be using PTHREAD_LIBS and not using -pthread. Here is the link: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=629118+0+archive/2001/freebsd-current/20010218.freebsd-current As to the timing; it had to happen soon. We need time to iron out the problems before 5.2-RELEASE. This was the first step; there may be a little more pain in the future but this needed to be addressed first. > Are we expecting people to be able to compile software directly from the > commandline at all these days and in the future on a (stable) FreeBSD-5? > > Is the decision criterion for making acceptable changes to core system > components that we can somehow make 3rd party software compiling via > ports-collection hacks? Things need to get worse before they can get better. If I didn't break -pthread, ports@ would have a harder time trying to make things build with a threading library that is selectable via PTHREAD_LIBS. We've had 2.5 years to do this, but now it needs to get done before 5.2-RELEASE. > I feel that a FreeBSD that manages to break so many existing configure-scripts > and build systems is degraded in usefulness. Please, this is -current. If you want less pain then stick with -stable and you won't be annoyed by the -pthread removal. -- Dan Eischen