From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 6 17:22:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6960237B400 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7860C43E7B for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b137.otenet.gr [212.205.244.145]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g870Mi7f007816; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 03:22:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g870Mhcf016193; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 03:22:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g870MhTi016192; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 03:22:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 03:22:42 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020907002242.GC15779@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020906183353.A17895@FreeBSD.org> <20020906104905.J94577-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020906104905.J94577-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-09-06 11:16 +0000, Neal E. Westfall wrote: > Without a reliable supernatural revelation from God, no arguments, > reasoning, science, ethics, human freedom, etc. would even be > intelligible. The preconditions of rationally arguing anything > require objective standards of logic and ethics which are only > intelligible on a theistic worldview in which God reveals those > objective standards through supernatural revelation. Care to elaborate on that? Because you seem to be implying that logic and ethics can not exist without the existence of something supernatural. But something that is supernatural, is, well ... not natural, but supernatural. Why would logic, and ethics be dependent on something that doesn't even exist? Now can we stop just tossing things to and fro without anyone ever proving what they say? - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message