From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:00:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8994A16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FE643D37 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:00:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB9M0Xm7087085 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:00:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hB9M0XCm087084 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:00:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:00:33 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:00:37 -0000 Somewhere around Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 15:36 , the world stopped and listened as Adam Maloney graced us with this profound tidbit of wisdom that would fulfill the ejoyment of future generations: > Just thought I'd add my $.02 > > Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) > > the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of > > the time, so we do it in multiuser. > On most of my boxes I do the installs and merge in multiuser > mode. I'm a little more nervous about mail, so I always do it in > single-user mode on the mailserver. Fragile is a good word for > this state. It's nice when you have the luxury of being able to phsyically touch the machines. I do my upgrades remotely in MU mode. In case of crash it will take me about 30 minutes to get to the machines - but there is really no place to work except in awkward standing modes with rack doors open. I've never had a problem - but have always been perpared for one. > > Good question 8-) > I have always done source, and I always sync with stable and > re-build everything (rather than using patches). Why? It just > "feels" right :) And since I do it remotely, I login, build with nohup and logout and check the logs the next day. Beside 'feeling right' - I don't have to do anyting. I tell it to do it, and it does it. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com