From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jan 15 6:50:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C720E37B401; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D031C43ED8; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <20030115145007003005v1a7e>; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:50:07 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0FEo6A8034412; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0FEo6jV034411; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:50:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200301151450.h0FEo6jV034411@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20021120 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Craig Reyenga" Cc: bmah@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available In-Reply-To: <002a01c2bc5c$1fdd11b0$0200000a@sewer.org> References: <004101c2bc33$69323fd0$0200000a@sewer.org> <3E24B87B.3000709@blueyonder.co.uk> <008901c2bc3f$f9d9b070$0200000a@sewer.org> <200301150419.h0F4Jnoh028561@intruder.bmah.org> <002a01c2bc5c$1fdd11b0$0200000a@sewer.org> Comments: In-reply-to "Craig Reyenga" message dated "Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:05:37 -0500." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1535359996P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:50:06 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_1535359996P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Craig Reyenga" wrote: > >No matter what, disc#1 has a finite amount of space and it's going to be > >impossible to come up with a combination of packages that keeps everyone > >happy. Sooner or later, "popular" comes down to somebody's judgement. > > > >To see what's currently in the package split, look at > >src/release/scripts/print-cdrom-packages.sh (for whatever branch > >interests you). Note that in addition to the packages listed there, we > >also need to put all of their dependencies on disc#1 as well. These > >dependencies likely account for a lot of the "small packages and > >ones that are not popular seem to make in on the first CD". > > > > Looking at the script, it would appear that the current method used is > simply a combination of the two different ideas. I guess now I should be > saying, "Please add Mozilla and Apache to the script." We've talked about adding mozilla. That will probably happen (actually, it was just added to HEAD's package split, and will probably get MFC-ed to RELENG_5_0). Haven't seen any discussion of apache, not sure why it's not there. I'm not real keen on making lots of changes to the package split at this point (if you look at where we are in the release schedule, we're *real* close to releasing). Every unnecessary change we make carries with it a certain risk that could delay the release. Hoping to forestall a flood of email to re@ saying "Please add my favorite package!", let me say: The time to advocate changes is *between* releases, not when you've just seen the last RC snapshot and want the RE team to make some change in the few days before rolling the final product. We're more likely to give some actual thought to changes proposed in the early stages of the process, as opposed to near the end when it seems like we're always fighting various fires that blaze up. > >(FYI, the 5.0-RC3 package set occupies 339MB of a 560MB ISO image.) > > If the ISO is currently 560MB, then we have 90MB to spare right? Yeah, but: 1) We need to leave some space for vendors to add other stuff they might want to put on the disc. 2) Some of the packages I've seen discussed would eat up a lot of that (I have an OpenOffice package sitting on my workstation that weighs in at 66MB, not counting any dependencies it may have). FYI, my preferred window manager isn't on disc#1, nor are my preferred MUA or Web browser. But I think that disc#1 has a package set that's useful to most people. Cheers, Bruce. --==_Exmh_1535359996P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE+JXUe2MoxcVugUsMRAlbyAJ9qgtAqd4BngHWiIQk3sHy47ab8tQCgjY/G rrnELQOFYmORrMYo68ZEJyI= =D/VX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1535359996P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message