Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:03 -0500 From: michael <michael.copeland@gmail.com> To: Tyson Boellstorff <perlcat@alltel.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors Message-ID: <494184B7.2030104@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net>
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Tyson Boellstorff wrote: > On Thursday 11 December 2008 13:55:04 Chad Perrin wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>>> Please stop trolling. >>>> >>> having different opinion than yours isn't trolling. >>> and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different. >>> >> It's not just that you have a different opinion than me -- it's that >> every time someone brings up anything related to migration from some >> other OS to FreeBSD, you basically tell them to go away. This is >> unproductive, leads to endless argument on the mailing list, and >> generally makes everyone unhappy. That sounds suspiciously like trolling >> to me. >> > > In Wojciech's defense, he is technically skilled, has found use for FreeBSD, > and spends his time on the mailing list answering questions. I enjoy his > opinions, and if FreeBSD ever needed a BOFH, he'd be my first choice. Not to > say that he knows everything about everything -- that's my Ex's job. > > The answers he gives are somewhat abrupt and definitely coloured by his > experiences and ego -- if you want your hand held, he is not your guy. > However, he has valid points, and isn't trolling. It's just who he is. It's a > cultural thing, and his input is valuable enough that I don't filter him out > or stir him up. If you recall, on the mailing list, there are cautions not to > waste people's time with FAQ questions due to the response they may get, and > from what I've seen over time, the people on the list have been kind and gone > well beyond the 'RTFM' answer I'd have given most inquiries if it was up to > me. > > I guess what I'm saying is that Wojciech acts well within the expected > guidelines on the list, and if you don't like his answers, you certainly are > not obligated to respond. I don't respond to 99% of his responses, but I am > seeing a dogpile coming on, and I'm not so sure that's a good idea. > > If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and not-so-obscure > devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need > publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to > pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be nice to them. I'm not > so sure I want to pay that price. > > As it stands right now, it's a meritocracy -- those with the skills share > their work with others with the skills. It is bound together by the respect > we have for each other, and there's not much name-calling going on. The > product is technically sound, has better hardware support than other *ixes (I > run OpenBSD on servers -- but not on the laptop beause of the lack of laptop > support), and gets the job done well. The documentation is simply phenomenal. > I'm good with that. I'm also more than pleased that there are barriers to > entry based upon a basic unix knowledge level -- I've had one too many > encounters with the unwashed to want to go that direction. Linux developers > spend more time catering to that crowd, and IMO, it suffers for it as much as > it benefits from it. > > If someone wants to commercialize FreeBSD, they are welcome to do so within > the terms of the license -- the more the merrier. But asking the list to > hand-hold is a bit much -- we're adults here with real jobs that we should be > doing. Getting an opinion from a person with skills isn't such a bad thing, > and I think the list benefits from his knowledge. To be completely honest, > I'd rather get the right information from a person who cannot relate than no > answer at all from people who are more friendly. > I agree. nothing wrong with his posts. the mailing list was never described as a warm, social gather. you want answers, and you get them here. i for one would rather him be abrupt and short. no need for the pomp and circumstance. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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