From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 23:57:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5145C37B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net [68.15.8.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7485D43FF7; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billh@gnuppy.monkey.org) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18ggue-0001Tu-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 23:57:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:57:36 -0800 To: "John L. Utz III" Cc: John Polstra , bod@freebsdfoundation.org, brian@collab.net, calvin.austin@sun.com, rwatson@freesbsd.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, Brent Verner , "Bill Huey (Hui)" Subject: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation) Message-ID: <20030206075736.GC5538@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20030206021823.GB4193@gnuppy.monkey.org> <863cn2nf6g.wl@utweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <863cn2nf6g.wl@utweb.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i From: Bill Huey (Hui) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:36:39PM -0800, John L. Utz III wrote: > But, it seems to me that your snapshot of the discussion lacks context: > > Where's the Request for Proposals? The funny thing is that they are a non-profit and must make this kind of stuff public for whom ever to see. > Where's all the eager emails from the 100's of developers that felt they where > smart enuf to do the job? > > Where's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth email from everybody else that > didnt get the job? > > Where's the msg's that got Mr. Zelkin the job? > > Where's the msg's where Mr. Zelkin said to bill "Dude, umm, just to let you > know, the FBDF is going to *pay* me to work on stuff that you have selflessly > slaved over for thousands of hours pro-bono, and i think it's important that > i, as an *ethical* sort of person, should clue you in."? None of that happened. It was totally done in secret and that's screwed up. > While conceding the possibility of taking you out of context, i want to > address the '100 people could have done this job'(paraprased) statement. Right...(sarcasm) > IMHO, this is not about competency. There may be other, more competent people > than bill ( there are *probably* more competent people then bill, sometimes he > codes kinda' funny ). > > This is about decency. And human relations. And *enthusiasm*, which is really > the only glue that sticks projects together. Absolutely, and to have condescending assholes try and dismiss you when you're "too confrontation" is just crank smoking, prior sucking, cow mad convolving crap. > Bill has busted galactic ass to get us this far. So have lot's of other > people, but it seems like bill was the only stakeholder excluded from the > decisionmaking? If i where him, i'd be achingly pissed off too! Yes, yes and yes. These folks are completely insane that's my conclusion of the matter. It's obviious that they were pretty aware of how this would effect me given how quite they were during this entire process. bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message