From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Sep 27 05:25:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA20499 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA20460 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA02197; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609271226.FAA02197@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jason T. Nelson" cc: eischen@vigrid.com (Daniel Eischen), freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sprints response to to wcarchive connectivity problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:55:30 EDT." <199609271155.HAA17969@purcell.jlc.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:26:38 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I've been having problems with connectivity to wcarchive. It's happened >> quite a few times in the past, and I've noted all the responses saying >> it's Sprints problem. I finally got tired of dealing with thesse >> transient problems, so I started complaining to my ISP and his Sprint >> representative. >> >> Here is Sprints response (in my ISPs words). While this may be the cause >> of recent problems (last week or so), is it representative of most of >> the other Sprint connectivity problems? >> >> "cdrom.com's provider, crl.com, is connected to the internet via a >> non-approved poor router. The router is hosing causing flapping problems. >> This is also due to the fact that crl does not properly peer. In other >> words, crl and therefore crl's customer is not holding up to acceptable use >> policies. The destination is deliberately blocked when the router flaps so >> as to prevent flapping throughout the network." > >That's mostly crap on your ISP's part (or maybe Sprint, I'm more inclined >to think that). There is no such thing as a non-approved router; it >probably means that CRL is not using the same piece of crap Cisco's >Sprint uses (and good for them for bucking the trend). As for holding up to >acceptable use policies, this is utter nonsense as well, but if you were >to try to make sense of what they are saying, Sprint may be the WORST >offender with some of their practices. It's entirely crap because the CRL routers that connect at MAE-west, MAE-east, PB-NAP, and the CIX SMDS are all Cisco 7500 series routers. What the Sprint person said was just simply an all around lie. Now, if Sprint is complaining because CRL's backbone is made up of Cascade 9000 ATM switches, well all I can say is that Sprint would do well to do the same. I think the Sprint person simply has no grasp whatsover on what CRL is...I think the person assumed that CRL is a regional provider or something instead of the tier one backbone provider that they are. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project