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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k48sm14528973qtk.44.2020.08.15.08.07.49 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 15 Aug 2020 08:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTNw44rdmz6Xp for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:07:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:07:42 -0400 From: Jerry To: "User Questions" Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end Message-ID: <20200815110742.29dd76ce@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <40xvq0.qf0q3x.1hge1ap-qmf@smtp.boon.family> <20200814004312.bb0dd9f1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200814065701.2b390145ac6d189161bc31b4@sohara.org> <173ed205550.27bc.0b331fcf0b21179f1640bd439e3f4a1e@tundraware.com> <4d320acd-a995-7a35-5c0e-c2c22e7e6f96@radel.com> <20200814213706.18eb16b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200815081600.55107873@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200815100104.4c2feae9@scorpio.seibercom.net> Reply-To: "User Questions" Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/izHYSEFQENzE7QN+twAKIpL"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597504074; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:dkim-signature; bh=THoSf8uixriuy5BwHzrIusdLybi+xof5g1TTjHYc5cs=; b=CmZl0A0Y/uJ+Qu3Rc2u6R4pbD6UQONB1+ejz6BXO1kRVbWe8TGfparjqVbAHqdjzMlL446 ZA6aZfPOuDlKMRuphCZ6Vy3R6F87SuZSyypL5BF+i7e+X2qbfXoroxi6kQRncZKPRm6Ll6 XgMJP7wBTFCEtF9SVdZaTcpiRRSY3rsA//HzgWDSk3TMsuo9qBwH9F8Q87C2HC7hwC49HP AUdkqqtOP+rVCnTTBBHCjszgU9WMe76h/8qrzPL810GzsyrQ7PdqcpGnzZmt+zHphSVkcj sz335bs3BzWh+dr7EriJaXMIXrjCLFLyGQeKeK3Tp9TzHrInWPJxGlMkk0L61w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597504074; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Bm/oy/iOdvx3SuFvNoJXWRqQPS8q2fhuN3igKJToRZ/mwhEHZsEHRVDtWzi3DQV2N8oyCP 31SBaDNpYK/cdOzr/WOcF56Yn2f+sW747TzdllLybN/G42U3YDinm4ufKK3wMjQ9ZeAXL2 lbtGP94qVRGK1yl7NBgHcvqnYfp3xKUcD3FstX3nPw4p3vqkXFcEAKTIa+vaJgogR+mK7C 4jDHbXZHIh3vKgs7EahqCbAYULfRlN16IjBxwhZCwSPE2LMurvYWfyV+znH1wOXKIrFr5w 1+qVSK1ia4D52IaNqrl9a3mNz2PcCB251brOScbzEH80qPMJ2v8ONyDCXKNFIQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=MmWZaaCa; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f43 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTNw94Md5z4Fbf X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=MmWZaaCa; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f43 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.33 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.301]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.82)[-0.823]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.950]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f43:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:07:54 -0000 --Sig_/izHYSEFQENzE7QN+twAKIpL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:37:29 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 10:01 AM Jerry wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 08:59:52 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: =20 >> >Says someone who refuses to help fix a bug because some hardware >> >vendor refuses to give them free equipment, even though the bug >> >affects equipment you already have. =20 >> >> Your analysis is incorrect. I did in fact, rectify the problem. >> Coming to the realization that it would cost me both time and money, >> I choose a different path. Realizing that I could easily minimise >> the situation with a minimum of effort, I simply changed to an OS >> that did not suffer from the affliction and offered me more leeway >> in completing my job requirements. >> =20 > >So if you switched OS's, go troll some other list instead of one made >up of people who actually care enough about the tools they use to fix >the ones that are almost perfect instead of saying my hammer's handle >has a little dent in it thus I am going to burn it (making a lot of >noise about how evil the hammer is) and use a screwdriver handle to >bang a nail in. Your insistent whinny is directed at your hosting company, yet you continue to post on a forum that pertains primarily to an OS. Your supposed problem would be better directed at a forum dedicated to resolving you problems, imaginary or not. There are literally hundreds of sites that pertain to hosting available. You might want to try this one: https://forums.hostsearch.com/ >> There is an old saying, "Piss poor planning on your part, does not >> constitute an emergency on my part." The simple fact that you failed >> to anticipate potential problems, either now or at some future date, >> is solely your fault. =20 > > >Maybe it is because I am planning that I am bringing the issues up >before they become actual issues (or I guess you can't be bothered to >read the whole thread to see that). The issue(s), at least according to you, have already bite you in the ass. For the record, I have read all of the thread, including your 18 and counting posts to that thread, all saying or relating to the same supposed issue, your inability to get a hosting company to kiss your ass. Poor Aryeh. "Aryeh" good, everyone else bad. >Very few problems cannot be cured with a minimum of effort. >> Unfortunately, all to many insist and cursing that darn night rather >> than lighting a small candle. >> =20 >You just don't read, do you? If you did you would see that is exactly >what I was doing -- attempting to figure out where effort was worth it >(and which ones were unfixable but due to external stuff I am still >stuck with and have no option but to deal with them anyways). Not >taking the lazy way out and saying my hammer sucks and burning it. >Burning hammers causes more problems than it solves usually (like the >fire spreading to your entire workshop). Besides nails tend to break >screwdriver handles when used as hammers. You are really dense, Your options are quite clearly laid out.=20 1) Negotiate with the company. a) Since that has failed, move onto #2 2) Bring legal action a) So far you have failed to do that which indicates that either you have no legal basis for the action or you fear a counter suit that might implement you as culpable in some manner. 3) Failing to implement #2, move to a new hosting company that is either willing to implement your requirements of already embellishes them. As any real mechanic knows, if you don't have the tools you need on hand, whether from poor planning or whatever, you utilise the tools you do have on hand. A nail "may" break a screwdrivers handle, but if that nail saves a ship from shrinking, do you really think it is not worth it? Well, you might. I can just envision you sitting on the deck, crying like a wimp because you don't have a hammer to drive in the nail to seal the latch while the water flows in sinking your ship, all-the-while a screwdriver lays unused in your tool belt. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/izHYSEFQENzE7QN+twAKIpL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl83+j4ACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQcmwf+Jyl7ccYAJM7QIRq0x3wklTnHG3WgClDD+A5yDCphgMSmLmW1Srxci+20 oE+dHhoEuYLt9WrJZ+cw3jic/trcFy1fizazDIoENnrsYbYnIjmr38uveP6mW+Re LZYbOfySeefbyeUIFP3WMjCiMTtFDmVlSB97AD8J+kLVkdxyL/ncpbHjR7WW1YUe 50Qt87awTDZGwhDr5lGkJbQC3WtJheObtMLEuHnESq1mJzMp2T7x6lh3HkBbATYX /mjxbn6eU1wFo8cFAUZ+Z+dieswx769F2LrDuywbBMxZf0Cd9ZvmX8S4iSkMpXY/ d+7Kxa9jhEG8gA+O2pugV9qlbIeqSg== =TeeJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/izHYSEFQENzE7QN+twAKIpL--