From owner-freebsd-bugs Fri Jan 11 1: 7:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD4537B8A1 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1098) id 48A3210DDF8; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:02:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:02:33 -0800 From: Bill Fumerola To: Ted Mittelstaedt , Karsten Thygesen Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/33637: Panic: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0 Message-ID: <20020111010233.A402@elvis.mu.org> References: <200201102242.JAA15581@lightning.itga.com.au> <000201c19a7a$94a7d840$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000201c19a7a$94a7d840$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:33:01AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-FEARSOME-20011222 i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:33:01AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > If you give a program life-and-death authority over the system and > the program crashes the system then that is hardly a bug in the system, > now is it? ted, stop right now. running a process (even with root privileges) is not giving life and death authority over the system. it is a bug that a userland program can cause the kernel to crash with a vm panic. panics are the safety belts of the kernel and triggering one of them means that you've found a case that the programmer(s) know shouldn't happen. a panic means the situation has been considered before and it is something that is known to cause problems. finding real life cases of the panic with reproducable scenarios is _HELPFUL_ to the programmer(s) in finding bugs in the subsystem. please stop spreading FUD to users who are trying to report an actual bug and are providing meaningful data. your emails on this PR are not only unhelpful, they're detrimental to getting the real problem fixed. thanks, -- - bill fumerola / fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org / billf@mu.org - my anger management counselor can beat up your self-affirmation therapist ps. don't even think of sending me some stupid flame, either. this is for the encouragement of the original submitter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message