From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 11:21:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3677F37B407 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A34443FE0 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 7472 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 18:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 3 Jul 2003 18:21:18 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h63ILFGI081435; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:21:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3F046BB1.5080800@kasimir.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Florian Smeets cc: acpi-jp@jp.FreeBSD.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: "M. Warner Losh" cc: Nate Lawson Subject: Re: [acpi-jp 2382] Re: Updated ec-burst.diff patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:21:19 -0000 On 03-Jul-2003 Florian Smeets wrote: > Nate Lawson wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, John Baldwin wrote: >> >>>On 03-Jul-2003 Nate Lawson wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: >>>> >>>>>I personally think that all tunable should be read-only (or rw if >>>>>possible) sysctls... >>>> >>>>I'm still not sure why we have both mechanisms. Perhaps a useful approach >>>>would be to sweep the tree for tunables and change them to sysctls with >>>>appropriate permissions (read-only if in doubt). Then remove the tunable >>>>mechanism. Care to put together a patch? >>> >>>Cause you can't set sysctl's from the loader, only tunables? Are you >>>going to duplicate the entire kernel environment from 'kenv' in >>>sysctl? >> >> >> Ah, I thought the two had been merged such that you could do that. > > You can set sysctls from loder.conf. I just checked it to be shure. You cannot. Many sysctl's have a loader tunable that mirrors them, but not all. Try setting debug.dir_entry from the loader. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/