From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 21 10:58:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F4A1065672 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926EF8FC12 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NMfy8-0003xQ-25; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:32 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NMfy6-0002Il-K7; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:27 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBLAwQPZ051432; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:26 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nBLAwQdo051431; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:26 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:26 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Gerald Pfeifer Message-ID: <20091221105826.GA51422@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.5 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, Anton Shterenlikht , "b. f." Subject: Re: g95 as a system fortran compiler? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:34 -0000 On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:54:29AM +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, b. f. wrote: > > The decision to remove the Fortran compiler from the base system was > > made long ago, and will probably not be reversed now. There is no > > Fortran code in the base system, and Fortran is needed only by a > > minority of users. > > With even popular scripting languages residing in ports, not the > base system, it really would be hard to argue for Fortran being > part of the system compiler. That, and FreeBSD has been notorious > for letting the system compiler and toolchain rot (sorry, it's hard > to find a friendlier term), so users would not be served too well > by such a move, especially seeing how actively and quickly GCC > Fortran develops in contrast. This level of agility is really > where our Ports Collection shines. yes, I get it now, it makes sense > > Yes, it's unfortunate that the gcc maintainers discontinued support > > for a number of architectures. But maybe someone will step forward > > and fix it? Or llvm? In the meantime, why don't you ask gerald@ to > > make the default Fortran compiler on ia64 the latest version of > > gfortran that will still work on that architecture? You can do it > > yourself by making some small local patches to ports/Mk/bsd.gcc.mk, > > and to the relevant lang/gcc4X port, while you are waiting for him ... > > Anton has been working with me and really has been trying to get > (upstream) attention. With FreeBSD being a niche OS and Itanium > going the way of the Alpha and the Dodo, this is not a healthy > intersection, sadly, and nobody has stepped up yet to fix the > issue for real though some advice has been given. :-( > > ( http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40959 ) > > Using different compiler versions on different architectures is > going to make other ports maintainers pretty unhappy campers and > would not see a lot of testing, so I would not recommend going > down that route, nor would I want to make ports more complicated > when that only benefits one or two users globally. I agree -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423