From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 02:27:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8CBE8FB99 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 02:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 586C26DE5D; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 02:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id PJEseZuafss4TPJEteJi48; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:27:13 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=JuuBlIwC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ocR9PWop10UA:10 a=1QTDH3R-AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=pGGrLNlAlgBt3Z1z_qgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=A7PbjfUNzwAiWwc5k9lq:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22F65A7E; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBE2R9E1011354; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vBE2R9e4011351; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201712140227.vBE2R9e4011351@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: karels@FreeBSD.org cc: Mark Linimon , Don Lewis , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Karels of "Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:02:54 -0600." <201712140202.vBE22stW041959@mail.karels.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:27:09 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCLOjOej2ZgCYNZhhrTAzqgBPZF1I+BtSExZjAJmPRYzR8vlDq2Y5rXwrzX3/D/RVwXxt57p4BJHaoNmpIL+kdikyz8YwU31REUXNsE0bnIsNyIdOvga idDR5uCHMsKDqqGrTjMNAMPJRYWKAr2pxN7ndsXzdDxodwf/n6/k/jrJkCw6U101lyQUFkx1eIEWTknI7CXoV6df5qNFauI/Xuz7yCJU0+utTeE8aukDWX+q VFK2XR/ELEG2ul60moOc7FP3EyThIQWS5qEOrZITnHU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 02:27:15 -0000 In message <201712140202.vBE22stW041959@mail.karels.net>, Mike Karels writes: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 05:45:57PM -0800, Don Lewis wrote: > > > Not really silly. > > > It's silly to be in the default install on an arm board IMHO. > > > mcl > > Presumably dealing with this issue is one of the goals of turning base > into packages, and hopefully there can be different defaults for > different architectures or profiles. Removing just sendmail won't get > you much space back (especially if you just remove /usr/sbin/sendmail, > which is just a symlink to mailwrapper). A small arm board is more > likely to be single-purpose, but it's hard to guess what that purpose > might be. I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of such a board > originating mail, though. Especially with meta-packages for desktop, mail server, FAMP (FreeBSD, Apache, MySQL, PHP), network infrastructure, and other general server, or whatever else. What comes to mind are RPM groupings Red Hat has. At $JOB we use HPSA. Packaged base would allow us to play better in this space too. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.