From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 09:56:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8941065673 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from fish.ish.com.au (eth5921.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [59.167.240.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639D98FC17 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from ip-132.ish.com.au ([203.29.62.132]:62977) by fish.ish.com.au with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9zq1-0006oF-1a; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:29:09 +1100 Message-Id: From: Aristedes Maniatis To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20081208182112.GW58682@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:56:14 +1100 References: <20081208182112.GW58682@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: freebsd-stable Stable Subject: Re: visibility of release process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0000 On 09/12/2008, at 5:21 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > What do you mean as "news source"? Commits are inherently low level > and it's difficult to see how a commit could be massaged into some > sort of press release without a fair amount of meta information in > the commit log. Well, I use this as a way of tracking activity sometimes: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.devel.cvs And indeed, I notice now it has been improved recently. The commit messages now include full paths and diffs. Very helpful. >> * the bug tracker. Let's just say that FreeBSD's bug tracker is >> fairly >> primitive and 'target release' is not an option. > > Agreed. This is an issue that comes up regularly but I don't believe > a solution has been identified. I suspect one of the requirements > would be that it be FOSS I don't understand why it should be necessarily FOSS. I believe the best solution should be chosen by those people who would use it most: the core developers. I know for a fact that many non-free providers would give FreeBSD a free perpetual license for the goodwill it would create, as for instance Atlassian do for Jira at Apache and other open source projects. Is it also a requirement that FreeBSD only be hosted on servers with FOSS bios? What about P4? My personal wish list would be: * rich search interface * workflow (eg. if a critical task remains open for more than x days without attention, it is automatically escalated) * svn integration (so that commit messages reference the task and vice versa) * release notes and roadmap * ease of integration with multiple front end tools, so developers can comment on issues from the command line or their iphone >> I've had a look at several of the fisheye sites and am not sure what > it would buy the Project, other than some pretty graphs. I don't see > how this is any more "friendly" than svn.freebsd.org. Sure, but show me how to go to http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/ and see commit log per branch or any other way to see what is going on in a branch. Fisheye gives you that in a really clear way and it costs nothing to add another option for users. Cheers Ari Maniatis --------------------------> ish http://www.ish.com.au Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001 GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A