From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 7 07:12:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED9864915A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 07:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Fz4MS0Xthz3sFF for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 07:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=nDKXuX/3rcq4k8Wmh5bkLqLg7Tj//iX4N710Oi5RtcU=; b=IJKzFjthq1geyYBIqSr+sCKywk fJjdwH2/TVpEaDyu9ICclSaJYPoodMKXH+U1pRWFJIu0AhQXQbr00fUTr5PkLp0Jws7SeVzdbFVNL gnW4NNqcAf+HjfwtATQ8tKJmPucYAW4UnRcvbcujXgzcYP0j/Lqnf7G9PTBhdroEQ9WQ=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lq9RI-0004de-1g; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 14:12:48 +0700 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:12:48 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: Paul Procacci Subject: Re: lang/php72 needed Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oue6e/k/Mfpm+si6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Fz4MS0Xthz3sFF X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=IJKzFjth; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2021 07:12:53 -0000 --oue6e/k/Mfpm+si6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Procacci wrote: > I'm not sure if it's either strange nor alarming like you claim. > That version of php is EOL from the vendor afterall. > The specific topic of maintaining support for old software, or retaining > backwards compatibility has been hashed before not only here, but in most > venerable software. >=20 > Your packages.sury.org example exists because someone out in the world ( = Ond=C5=99ej > Sur=C3=BD ) has a need for it on Linux and makes his packages available t= o all. That's exactly what I meant by "strange and alarming". It's about FreeBSD's user base. If a large community of admins really had a need for PHP on FreeBSD, two problems would have been solved already, if not by the FreeBSD team, then by enthusiasts like Ond=C5=99ej: 1. A possibility to install multiple versions of PHP simultaneously. 2. A repository for older packages. > He happens to not only have a need for it, he's actually one of the Debian > developers as well; though I digress. There is a similar repo for RPM-based Linuxes, Remi's Repo I guess. Because enough people need it. > In the same vein, if you have a need for it, `make package` on your FreeB= SD > version, work through the kinks and also make it available. > The next bloke who's looking for a package will find yours and be gratefu= l. Actually, I am that bloke who is looking for a package and an opportunity to be grateful.=20 Not actually for a package though, but for a Poudriere-ready tree. >=20 > In the case of Moodle, I'm not going to question your reason for using old > software, but will kindly point out that they have a version that's > compatible w/ more recent versions of php. > Without knowing your evaluation process or conclusion thereof, I'd suggest > upgrading Moodle instead. Those Moodle installations are out of my responsibility. I don't exactly know why they want the older versions, maybe there are some local patches, or maybe because "don't fix what ain't broken". Really no idea. But it might be easier for me eventually to migrate those VMs to Debian. --=20 Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE http://vas.tomsk.ru/ 2:5005/49@fidonet --oue6e/k/Mfpm+si6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJgvcbwAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0bdkH/RlhxchF7C+W6tAF1VWf6xn5 iFPNH0uXKhg6eXLQVQvl+mVdP6J1JZHIL8Dvyosbf8Sum6KHFe+8tHkJKVE1E6XH iolGlsNZwk28Tysc0FwJ15GOAjbsbwIbjMcgi8bRiL1pRa01EVnWJ5x2Tpg8/Kgv W/lVhAomo9SFrGUxoYiIMZRZvjYfMTHG4j3opNCbV60Fdp3OM8vGSZJxt44fdWpy Cy3J+FsV7QKVaSe2Chra5q1ggNM3ibAgRhLdrxlSF8XXpbbdsgN7gZvjMbD+sAuk 2bCXT0lIduHq1dUtrC3W6nLgSuIzMUnb5PMc1yZOoh80lRQGkDYWDvcHEilEqSg= =DasZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oue6e/k/Mfpm+si6--