From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 11:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C6916A4C0 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A4B43F75 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h93IUAd0026914; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:30:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3F7DC032.8040806@401.cx> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:30:10 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <20030928152441.S83167-100000@users.757.org> <3F7D53DF.11218.48A31DDD@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3F7D53DF.11218.48A31DDD@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swag... new choices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:30:16 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > On 3 Oct 2003 at 15:32, Paul Robinson wrote: *snip* >>The real problem though is free use of the logo/mascot. To really open >>up the market like OpenBSD has, you kind of have to consider... dare I >>say it?... changing the mascot. If you want to produce lots of mass >>produced stuff with loads of artwork and sell them, you can't use >>beastie unless you've cleared every item with McKusick: >> >>http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html >> >>That's fine, and I understand his reasoning. It just works against what >>you're suggesting unfortunately. > > My experience with obtaining permission has been positive. I dont think obtaining permission is the problem, I think the fact that you have to obtain it in the first place is the problem. I know a lot of artists, some of my best friends are artists, and most of them wont do anything that has something even remotely similar to a copyright hanging over it. Im sure McKusick is a great guy, the few times Ive been in contact with him I have had no problem at all, but just the fact that he owns the copyright on the daemon scares a lot of people away. In todays society, you can get sued just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I find it completely understandable that people dont make t-shirts, posters or whatever as long as there is a copyright on the daemon. -- R