From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 21:37:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA122106566B for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14E98FC15 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from 4.151.178.10.in-addr.arpa (m420e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57LbIvF062149; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.01 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.167, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.617] Message-Id: <52E265BB-BBB1-439D-B375-D6C6AA04697C@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Mike Edenfield In-Reply-To: <48488D1A.9070105@kutulu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:37:11 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <48472DB6.5030909@samsco.org> <6010676B-91B0-4AF8-ACF8-039A59B29331@netconsonance.com> <200806050248.59229.max@love2party.net> <20080605083907.GD1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <902E9703E6E50776A17E9F92@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20080605220244.GP1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <34E9F0D46D7B9F45EDA38F4C@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <48488D1A.9070105@kutulu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:37:26 -0000 On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > In short, the problem reports that the OP is looking at are not > immediately obvious to someone who doesn't already know what they > are, and he's not doing himself any favors by insisting that > everyone else "already knows" about these problems. If he's seen > these bug reports, presumably he knows what their PR #'s are, or at > the very least the description of the bugs, and it would be many > many times faster for him to just say so than continue to insist > that other people read his mind. Mike, could you do me a favor and provide me with a set of words that will make what I am trying to say on this topic clear? I keep saying the same thing over and over again and nobody is hearing me, so could you perhaps help me translate this? These are the raw issues without any friendly wording. 1. Bugs in 6.3 that are patched aren't available in any other -RELEASE. 2. Bugs in 6.3 outstanding that don't affect 6.2 3. Overall amount of bugs. 4. Difference in code base between 6.3 and 6-STABLE is > than 6.2 and 6.3 These combine to produce a release which will never be "stable" for production needs. Obviously the FreeBSD team(s) involved have to make choices. Perhaps there's nothing we can do to improve it other than work on the specific bugs. But does it hurt to ask why 6.2 was dropped so fast? What the real cost of supporting 6.2 until 6.4 ships is? -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness