From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 27 18:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6AF16A420 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:48:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rizzo@icir.org) Received: from xorpc.icir.org (xorpc.icir.org [192.150.187.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905F543D46 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:48:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rizzo@icir.org) Received: from xorpc.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xorpc.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0RImjQL048347; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo@xorpc.icir.org) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by xorpc.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id k0RImjoK048346; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:45 -0800 From: Luigi Rizzo To: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <20060127104845.D46957@xorpc.icir.org> References: <20060124075437.B67285@xorpc.icir.org> <20060126.210322.56187611.imp@bsdimp.com> <20060126225244.B37507@xorpc.icir.org> <20060127.003927.08393947.imp@bsdimp.com> <20060127005500.A38764@xorpc.icir.org> <43DA699E.8030803@elischer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <43DA699E.8030803@elischer.org>; from julian@elischer.org on Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:42:38AM -0800 Cc: current@freebsd.org, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: if_flags usage etc. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:48:51 -0000 On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:42:38AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > >On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 12:39:27AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: ... > >>Actually, the ifmedia approach has a cleaner way of dealing. mii uses > >>ifmedia. ifmedia reports all the possible media types to ifconfig, > >>and then reports its status. mii has a nearly identical way of > >>doing this for devices with mii busses, or pseudo mii busses. > >> > >>ed should likely be fully converted to using ifmedia, but I'm not sure > >>I want to risk breaking ISA cards that I don't have access to to make > >>it so. I just don't have the time... > >> > >> > > > >to tell the truth, -current is so heavyweight for obsolete > >hardware that i wonder what is the point of trying to support > >old hardware that nobody has anymore, or on which nobody > >would upgrade the OS from 4.x to 7.x > > > > > > ehem.. I have several ed pc-cards on -current machines.. That particular > design may be > old but it's really cheap and still used a LOT in cheap/small stuff. > especially since it is usable at 100Mb transparently with some cards. a bit of context, Julian, please... Warner was worried about breaking support for 'ISA cards that I don't have access to'; if you, Julian, have such card for testing, then there is not a problem of testing and fixing trivial bugs. cheers luigi