From owner-cvs-all Tue Mar 13 14:46:14 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29B237B718; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: from originative.co.uk (lobster.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.81]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1F91D149; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:46:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3AAEA353.B31800B5@originative.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:46:43 +0000 From: Paul "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Richards=F2?=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: asmodai@wxs.nl, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, grog@lemis.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.org, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvscommit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) References: <20010313121002.F59348@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3794.984471257@critter> <20010313104930.C60817@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010313133108S.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > That's why so much of this kind of work goes on inside of > universities. They have the kind of time and personnel resources to > write white papers which give a programmer the kind of outline they > can work from in writing some actual implementation code, and that's > usually hardly trivial either. Some of the most complex work to enter > FreeBSD in the last couple of years didn't come out of discussions in > -arch, in fact, they came out of white papers like Ganger-Patt's > "CSE-TR-254-95" which Kirk followed in writing the softupdates code. I'm not disagreeing with you here, but it raises some interesting questions about what this project can hope to achieve if "hard" stuff is deemed too hard for this kind of environment to accomplish. I think, from my perspective, that the problem is how to make University or other research departments use FreeBSD for their reference platform in the first place, so that their work is done through or at least in close collaboration with the project. The increasingly anarchic structure of the lists and project planning in general does not make it easy for serious research to be based on FreeBSD or for the researchers themselves to participate in the project. If we're serious about maintaining FreeBSD as a leading OS then we should be careful not to lose the close associations it once had with leading research. Paul Richards. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message