From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 26 15:56:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974581065677 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C5B8FC08 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaaf13 with SMTP id f13so14243672eaa.13 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:56:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dqJubtpntXzn6iW7RBjOoO3UNvu/tFKZoykJ/1L1+58=; b=Wien8XQ8NFJ5dccHV96Nf9YFidSf5p2y9Cqxlz6jEsGHDvbwnwEkRK48urEWzb3R0F xR5f/jRK867LlNoxjlOiS4fMTHwt1cWsqdQPt3E51gAPHJU9XBzGdZpFqz8i0wgb2wLu 41kjCAdYAa/S8113mvabUCqqUo93mb6ShQajk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr6482613bkw.118.1324915005631; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.130.27 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:56:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111226144335.691185f6@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20111226144335.691185f6@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Problems with pkg_upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:56:48 -0000 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 9:43 AM, RW wrote: > On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:14:24 -0500 > David Jackson wrote: > > > > I do think packages need to be better supported on FreeBSD, many > > users do prefer to use packages due to speed and convenience and do > > not prefer to build it all. it shouldnt be such a hassle > > If you want to use packages I would suggest updating, as far as > possible, to release package. > Huh? The release packages are most out of date. The idea of using old versions of packages, such as firefox, is dangerous because security vulnerabilities are always being fixed. So, it really is a best practice to use the most up to date packages rather than very old ones. To be more user friendly there needs to be less fuss to using FreeBSD, it needs to just work. I am a system administrator and in fact, an operating system that makes things unnecessarily difficult to get working is a problem, user friendliness is not just for non techies. Good software design involves allowing the user to configure and work on all parts of the system, and to make things work the way they want, but not forcing them to configure anything to use the software, it should work out of the box with reasonable defaults, and then the user can fine tune to their needs. On ubuntu, packages can be easily upgraded with apt-get upgrade. No fuss, no mess, no hours of trying to get something which should be simple to work. so a system should be very flexible, configurable, transparent and so on, but a user should not have to configure anything since it should have a reasonable default behaviour. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >