From owner-cvs-all Sun Feb 21 10:43:13 1999 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E58F1148E for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:42:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA17330; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:39:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Larry Lile Cc: Julian Elischer , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Current status of the olicom fracas. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:15:36 EST." Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:39:39 +0100 Message-ID: <17328.919622379@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message , Larry Lile writes: >> Quoting from the back of the 2.2.8 CD: >> >> "The system comes with complete source[...]" > >I was making direct reference to your statement about your personal >position. > >But, could we look in to changing the statement on the CD to cover my >one small heresy? That is where my position comes in: I'm against such a small change, because of the wide ramification it will have further down the road. >> I don't mind you writing a driver, I think it is fine. But if the >> driver for one reason or another cannot pass that particular hurdle, >> then I cannot see how it belongs in the FreeBSD *source* tree. > >My driver does "if_oltr.c", the Olicom interface "trlld.o" is the point >of contention, correct? Sorry, just trying to get my labels on good and >tight. Well, in my terminology "the driver" == "every file you need to make it work" >> A committer should for instance be able to figure out that some >> kind of copyright notice would have to be put in there to describe >> where the files came from and what rules if any apply to their >> use. > >And I should have provided him with that. and failing to do that, he should have asked for it... >> And I feel I have a certain weight on this issue, since I am in >> the exact same situation as you are with the M-systems DOC2K driver >> which I maintain (http://phk.freebsd.dk/doc2k) > >Maybe this will lead to an acceptable solution for your problem. I don't find my situation unacceptable. M-systems wants the protect their sources which is fine, but they can't have that AND prime precense in a free OS which comes with *complete* sources. You can have you cake, or you can eat it, but not both. >Sorry my responses are taking so long, I am just trying remain calm >and dispassionate about this. I do not want to loose my temper. That is indeed a spirit we could use more 'round here, keep at it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message