Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:58:09 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor <brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: Eric Wayte <ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, "Jasper O'Malley" <jooji@webnology.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape browser Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9903221830001.23947-100000@peloton.physics.montana.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.32.19990322181857.03eb8d90@localhost>
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Hi,
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Brett Glass wrote:
> It looks as if any attempt to spur advocacy for, or promotion of,
> FreeBSD is doomed to failure in this group. No wonder FreeBSD is
> falling into obscurity while Linux crushes everything in sight.
How is it that not wanting to create a FreeBSD emulator for Linux is not
doing advocacy?
Jordan and others have pointed out many problems w/ your idea, not the
least of which is that:
- FreeBSD is a volunteer effort
- the Linux emulation people are too busy to do a FreeBSD emulator
for Linux, nor do they have interest in this
- it's VERY unlikely that the various Linux distributions WANT or
would ship a FreeBSD emulator - why would they? what native
apps does FreeBSD have that Linux doesn't? It doesn't make
business sense for them to want this. Go ask Red Hat about it
if you don't believe me.
- you want this, but it doesn't look like you're actually doing
anything. You say you are working on getting an effort
together but I haven't seen one hint of anything being done.
Have you talked to Debian (whom you suggested) about it? Have
you posted to -hackers to see if you could get help w/ it?
(not that I've seen)
This is no different than you wanting to have ports kept up to date for
2.2.8. Have you talked to Satoshi about doing this? Have you even laid
out an idea of how to implement your idea of having the port system build
for _any_ version of FreeBSD? Have you talked to Satoshi/Mike Smith about
the new package system? If you really want to do this, _now_ is when to
get going on it before the new package system comes out.
People might take your ideas more seriously if you showed some work.
Advocacy is NOT just about getting a Linux emulator.
Chris Coleman and I, with others, started Daemon News. Dan Langille (if I
misspelled your name Dan, I'm sorry) has the FreeBSD Diary which I think
is a REALLY great resource. There's now freebsdrocks. There's the
FreeBSDzine. Wes Peters has worked with the people who make Wingz (a
spreadsheet) to put a "works with FreeBSD" sticker on their page. All of
these ARE advocacy efforts. No one asked us to do these - we did them out
of our desire to help FreeBSD (and all of the BSDs in the case of Daemon
News). I haven't even mentioned all the people who help answer questions
for people in -questions and give people an impression of better support
than they get from M$ or Linux people.
No one is stopping you from trying to make the FreeBSD emulator for Linux.
People have tried to point out that it's unlikely to go anywhere as
there's no enthusiasm for it except from you. That doesn't necessarily
stop you from doing it. If you want it, go to it - as you're wont to say
in your GPL vs BSD license rants, the code is there - do something with
it.
Brett
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