From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 13:58:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFD411303CE for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3086E708 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C65A71804C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:58:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Long Term support versions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181113111556.f5870a43fbb1fe38db2a9df2@sohara.org> <20181113130504.ce9045901a6c838aee60bc19@sohara.org> <7B97FE27-E2AD-431F-A0A3-01FFF26BC121@kreme.com> <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> <255EA5AD-4C9D-498F-AA06-57C6ECB551BD@kreme.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <8576be5a-8ea4-5258-01f6-2c09ef81cc6d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:58:53 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <255EA5AD-4C9D-498F-AA06-57C6ECB551BD@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3B3086E708 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.30)[-0.295,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.407,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.35)[0.352,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:58:56 -0000 On 11/19/18 11:44 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > On 19 Nov 2018, at 20:12, Dale Scott wrote: >> On the other hand, it might be more pragmatic to take a CI approach and learn how to live with the release process. Is that possible? > > I can both live with it (as I have been doing for years) and still complain! :) > > It seems obvious to me that going from FINAL to FINAL versions should be possible, if not encouraged, and that supporting the FINAL version for maybe a year -- or if we're really lucky two -- isn't really helping anyone. > > The counter to not having the resources to maintain version support longer is to slow version releases, not to force a faster upgrade treadmill on everyone. > Then we will ot look as "advanced" version wise as others. Firefox is over version 60 already. Of course evr their release does not live up to the word release. Security patches all the time... I remember, when RedHat started racing with version number (not Enterprise, just regular one: version 8, then 9) in the discussion about "having larger version number" than others someone mentioned: you will never catch up with Microsoft: they already have Windows 2000 ;-) Valeri > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++