From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 13 10:55:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from Genesis.Denninger.Net (209-176-244-82.inil.com [209.176.244.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A04314CA4 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karl@Genesis.Denninger.Net) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Genesis.Denninger.Net (8.9.3/8.8.2) id MAA00574; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:55:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19991213125520.A567@Denninger.Net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:55:20 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: Wilko Bulte , Warner Losh Cc: Soren Schmidt , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI tape support - how to format? References: <199912130738.IAA28004@freebsd.dk> <199912131731.KAA44607@harmony.village.org> <19991213192545.D636@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19991213192545.D636@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Mon, Dec 13, 1999 at 07:25:45PM +0100 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers cheerfully broiled for supper and served with ketchup! Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Dec 13, 1999 at 07:25:45PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 1999 at 10:31:31AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <199912130738.IAA28004@freebsd.dk> Soren Schmidt writes: > > : > Anything else I should know offhand other than "plug it in and use dump like > > : > everything else"? > > : > > : Not really... > > > > Actually yes. There is one thing you should know. The ata tape > > drives tend to be more flakey than their scsi brotheren. This isn't > > to say a specific drive won't be reliable, but in general I've found > > that they are fussier and require more care and feeding than my old > > Exebyte drives (Which should tell the old users of the 8200 and 8500 > > something here). > > It does, yes. I never had any desire to go for IDE tapes but I have now > filed the idea as insane ;-) Well I never have had any desire to do so EITHER, but the problem is that one project I'm being sucked into is replacing NT-style machines with FreeBSD/Samba ones (quite a nice niche application for small offices, natch) and the problem is those folks are VERY cost-conscious. As in the $100 price difference for a DAT drive plus the extra couple hundred for the SCSI controller is too much. Yeah, I know IDE disks suck too. They don't care, and in this application the performance difference won't be noticable either. Thus, the question. BTW, I have older HP DAT drives (4 & 8gb models) that have several YEARS of active use on them, and other than using a cleaning tape when the front panel "clean me" light flashes I've NEVER had ANY problem with them. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Web: http://childrens-justice.org Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for a plan to do exactly that! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message