From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 6 11:59:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82B8106564A for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A24A8FC08 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so2535528eek.13 for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 04:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=TyKl3RyYY5l+uX0jn8zVYjCi+rfUNHad52WLHs3rC4Y=; b=GoQ++CkazBobjwV/5RSO2i+fWXwAOEWYIyouFn6QAnivucxRnbwvq2I2FOasVEq+Ur /eBMAKpnkR5Z7VvAFJxchO0XX+/X/4MkwjReG6FpSn1OA6PgnkL/1Zbtxu0hmwMieqvt c3WVxcaS8DseSq6RJneqSMCl9Vyz+O75vWWBW1Q45nRIllm92opMsw5VF8W/9FwU2yHL 03jTMaP0aPJ/RgSaEihnqboUKs3TuZhL0P0rLI80aLxE/OrGA4bQlMT2LE6ZZQ0tkcj/ TCyPxKJy1+uN84X4UAV78pa66PpargxQ3zZ+8aS537XRkZB9mvhZI+XuzMcbQL4zbUYZ Y7Uw== Received: by 10.14.96.70 with SMTP id q46mr9092194eef.231.1338983973173; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 04:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p41sm5651146eef.5.2012.06.06.04.59.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 04:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FCF4622.9010502@my.gd> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:59:30 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120605203717.5663bdf7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120605181055.4af65fdb@scorpio> <4FCF0772.8000609@FreeBSD.org> <4FCF1891.9020006@cran.org.uk> <4FCF2521.6090006@FreeBSD.org> <20120606062437.41f48a9e@scorpio> <4FCF352F.7030509@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120606073624.5f7c3f53@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120606073624.5f7c3f53@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQliH/ShFNjTTxsOxuLim/xkpkaHedLN9hSKR61oZ3ZQ4j5o9jycmkHCSkIPqFOH/0at2kQN Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:59:35 -0000 On 6/6/12 1:36 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100 > Matthew Seaman articulated: > >> On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: >>> I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 >>> goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as >>> many binaries as you want. >> >> Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the >> point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to >> run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own? >> >> $99 as a one-off payment might seem a trivial cost to you, so much so >> that you rather rashly promised to pay that for anyone. I won't hold >> you to it. Even so, there are several thousand readers of this list. >> I doubt even you could afford to subsidise very many of them... > > The $99 was for FreeBSD to deliver the OS, not per user. This is > clearly explained in the various URLs listed in this thread. I am sorry > if you misunderstood. Of course if a user wants to recompile the > kernel, etcetera after having downloaded and installed it from FreeBSD > or one of its subsidies, they are on their own. Seriously though, a > one time payment of $99 is so trivial I find it hard to believe that > anyone is actually bitching about it. I pay many times that amount for > golf every month. > Look Jerry, Are you serious there ? Having to pay to use a different OS on hardware that you own ? What next, non-approved keyboard, $40 extra ? Non-approved mouse, $30, non-approved USB external drive, $80 ? Don't take it personally but it's people like you willing to bend the knee that encourage such abuse as we're discussing today. The denial of freedom to do what you want with that piece of hardware you just bought. And no, $99 isn't trivial, it has to be 1/6 the price of a standard PC nowadays. I'm *not* paying extra to install a non-MS-approved-lol-seriously OS. This is nothing short of extortion.