From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 20:52:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84FA331758 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dHyT1wLVz3dDS for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id m18so9038058ljo.5 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=0YhMriWkbawA1QlFF7R7GgmCfYZRX0ucaTO+nIEYYoU=; b=Iuj7HHY1c2Y9fz7zFio47w0AdBKIx1/COQHZbKS7MjXInP7FLYrJUS7NyNHZ0Od2X1 XKui06CJZoztJYKGWKMkKFWQMI+Qs4ESNYAkf7hqAqME6W7/GfeF5SKLFuBEwzYLC3Z9 76cwaU14M0A6vTX636PN7Jr2wV7G3gicKriTNRRvjpSG2s8iXgNGnDlsd6iDVsJTXVvM K1Hrlkk98cE8pYXkHtDoPYVe64WYezDpYAR21mAKXc9+v5edM84BmhbGQ9BHiHR9a0XM 7cYmQp7cBSMk5/g9tusLZq4zzi8dEBq6/YAbpYJXryeMhHaXTaEpLy6xKFWyHunYUHCG i57A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0YhMriWkbawA1QlFF7R7GgmCfYZRX0ucaTO+nIEYYoU=; b=qVmjTr3e1SFjCLJQs2t81lRE8kqf23mGNU7+BZXbB7+6TcqrWig90MAe8FlQXWmRle zMIIirUXYOsxnIQm8C7VCwYbfwfs6bzLkfWFkG0AaE+O/nX7L4fNEPCPQBxDg4gO6bMo /fTGKHMY/5316OWWuuKmzzbNw9qKk+M7HX5VkNG1EWSBbu2RWYaMvU4EDP6AjrJLuECQ FJT5kEBzVC+eG3IQZFNHDZNnQFt8StPNiAAWTRUT6WICVwuutpzVKeORrIJxT1uuzD5I DRWKSXJmKWt6BsG5zNl5uLcFvFXHALdOsPVEKqQR1eqn7Tke8LAkONwVtiouY7QfvzyS SNtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531RlOG7AzbjlOfVP788XR7B1GAe+f/T7gRBPYt40pTbttoSsveM A5cxVS7XX3BxeMLALT+mJiK56ZLVHUK19zo33rg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvbplTn4jD0hCZwZFGdfKzWwd5cMp125QpYG4RUYnjFN8EA+x5giLnHolHqYuF+WqedZhqXY5+p3aMwhrlJbo= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:900a:: with SMTP id h10mr2970976ljg.329.1591303919449; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 13:51:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6504:47:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20200604223041.71e07383@archlinux> References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604212336.8fe541cd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604223041.71e07383@archlinux> From: Donald Wilde Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:51:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimal skills To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dHyT1wLVz3dDS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Iuj7HHY1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.75 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.867]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.931]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.956]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::233:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:52:02 -0000 On 6/4/20, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 21:23:36 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >>Again, the primary tool here is a text editor. Advanced editors >>[...] are able to display and edit shell scripts [...] in a >>convenient way. > > An important feature is "syntax highlighting". FWIW there's nothing > wrong with using a GUI editor and keeping your goal in mind, you > probably should take a look at IDEs. Non-GUI editors are more or > less only required for emergencies, in the worst case only Vi is > available on UNIXoid platforms, so it's worse to use it for a few > days, before possibly migrating to another editor. YMMV! On that note, I highly recommend SciTE as a GUI text editor available on all platforms, with syntax highlighting. As far as IDEs, both Eclipse and the Jetbrains tools -- I use RubyMine daily and have used PHPstorm and others -- are highly dependent on Java. Take care when choosing such tools, and be prepared for problems. Start at the very simple level, as I said. Learn the FreeBSD boot process, the startup sequencing -- /boot, rc, and rc.d are great starting points. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************