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Date:      Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:33:03 +0000
From:      Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com>
To:        Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default
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On 2 Dec 2011 17:07, "Lyndon Nerenberg" <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Obsolete does not mean it doesn't work.
>
>
> No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy
Flash-driven web GUI.'

Straw man argument.  This is irrelevant.

> Profiling is a simple basic tool that makes it easy to quickly find code
execution hot-spots.  It's not dtrace, or any other plethora of tools that
do a more extensive job of profiling.  But it's also a tool that is
universally available to developers.  Or was ...

Still is if you choose it.

> If you don't like it, don't use it.  But don't turn that into an excuse
to remove the functionality from the rest of us.

Straw man argument.  Nothing has been removed.

> If you really think profiling is truly useless in this day and age, the
proposal should be to eradicate it from the system entirely.

Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults?

No-one is removing anything.  Please stick to facts.

Chris



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