Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 21:35:57 +0100 From: Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org> Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Tomasz_Boles=C5=82aw_CEDRO?= <tomek@cedro.info>, "James E. Pace" <james@pacehouse.com>, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: 12.1 on Thinkpad - problem making graphics work Message-ID: <CAFYkXj=zofebWOtNhdzc8PhHC5xbWSQGf2pmQNywq1hjSDFVUg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20191108200005.21a9cdac18587cc36bd7cb01@sohara.org> References: <CAN1es4Jqy17VZeJkEFrUtX872929eLt78Bmrc20jPcernhk88A@mail.gmail.com> <CAN1es4Lab0uvZRPb51PaSjDDOH%2B9ZQTQedi1xvKO%2BCbnsbr20g@mail.gmail.com> <20191108194652.50c4f8e7c87ec76b9abc6e19@sohara.org> <CAFYkXjkWLwfZaBwR6pXRp18ZWV76B2%2BBwUeuyKVTgv6Trzy_qQ@mail.gmail.com> <20191108200005.21a9cdac18587cc36bd7cb01@sohara.org>
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my two cents to the release process / attitude: the issue is that i did a release upgrade and my machine is useless out of the box. even worse it crashes the os with mounted root what eventually results in data corruption! no need to mention that data is more precious than hardware itself. the issue is that it should work out of the box without "reading the entire issue" or waste several hours just to fallback to incomplete setup. this is not Linux. i avoid Linux for that. FreeBSD was always "it works stable or its not part of stable" (not to mention a release). We should not accept, ever, this kind of rush, just because others do. We avoid Windows and Linux for that. We never should accept a situation like this in FreeBSD! i never upgraded a server until NN.1 was out. now i have concerns even about NN.1. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
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