Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:39:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org> Cc: 'Jordan Hubbard' <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, jjohnson@au.yahoo-inc.com, jmr71769@earthlink.net, hal@vailsys.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone see todays Wall Street Journal article: Microsoft Using Free Software (or something to that effect) Message-ID: <20010622103908.D57186@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c0f969$aa96dd70$2a1410ac@kei.azr.nl>; from jeroen@unfix.org on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 11:16:18AM %2B0200 References: <20010619184212P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <000701c0f969$aa96dd70$2a1410ac@kei.azr.nl>
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[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Your MUA is a known text mutilator. You'd be better off getting a UNIX-based MUA: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 On Wednesday, 20 June 2001 at 11:16:18 +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> wrote: >>> That's the BSD license for ya. >>> >>> There needs to be a license that says something to the effect of >>> "Anyone can use/buy/sell/modify/distribute this software with or >>> without source code except Microsoft." >> >> Why? I'd personally be happy if Microsoft software was made a lot >> easier to use by incorporating BSD stuff. Imagine, a Windows 2000 >> firewall that didn't suck rocks, or DHCP renegotiation that didn't >> drop all my active connections by default when my modem hung up >> unexpectedly... It would be nice! > > Heheh..... just looks like that Wallstreet journal thingy... > complaining without even looking into it and thus stating loose > unfounded facts, making you look very silly IMHO. It does? The article was written in cooperation with the FreeBSD project, and I think it was very well done. Perhaps you have some details you're withholding. > I don't know what you define by "ease of use", but that's probably > personal and depends on what you want to use something for and not > to forget how to use it :) OK, try replying to this message with your broken MUA and *fix* *up* all the breakage it causes. People don't do it because it's too difficult. I did it with my setup because I can't read it otherwise, and it's not too difficult. Which is easy to use? > You might like to type a 'netsh.exe' to come into the Net Shell with > all kinds of nice commands, you'll prolly like it :) I strongly doubt it. > For your "unexpected hang ups": > Q239924 - How to Disable Media Sense for TCP/IP in Windows 2000 > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q239/9/24.ASP > > "Description: This parameter controls DHCP Media Sense behavior. If you > set this value data to 1, DHCP, and even non-DHCP, clients ignore Media > Sense events from the interface. By default, Media Sense events trigger > the DHCP client to take an action, such as attempting to obtain a lease > (when a connect event occurs), or invalidating the interface and routes > (when a disconnect event occurs)." > > Which will fix your problems... You should really start using MSDN (or > google which will also find it) instead of complaining without doing the > proper research... In the unix/bsd/* world they call that RTFM -> nicely > said: Read The Faq and Manual, oh and don't forget to understand it > either... Well, no, what Jordan was referring to was a bug, not a feature. And we don't need MSDN. We don't need Microsoft. > On another note... something I already mailed in the former discussions: > Port from UNIX to Win32: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/devprods/vs6/visualc/vccore/_core_port > _from_unix_to_win32.htm Your MUA broke the URL. Microsoft broke the page. It comes out blank on my browser. Maybe it's "optimized" to use Microsoft-only browsers. > And for the rest.... using BSD sockets is quite easy one only needs > to open the winsock.dll What will you find inside? > and as it's using the BSD API it's quite easy to port it and winsock > also allows ease of use with IPX, XNS, DECnet and others... Native > NT/Win32 apps are usually written with the use of Events > (WSAEventSelect() etc...) but that's a completely different subject, > altough it also shows a bit of the part of the internal workings of > the stack as they surely won't do a select() on filedescripts, > though it looks the same it ain't :) I'm not sure what you're referring to. Recall that people here don't use Microsoft. >> The only thing people are really slamming Microsoft here is being >> hypocritical. Actually using BSD code is an action I support for any >> value of the licensee string. :) > > Microsoft Windows BSD.... naah... though you could make a BSD > subsystem and plug that straight into NT... But that's what they > have the POSIX subsystem for and not to forget Interix > (http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/interix/). You're missing the point. > Hopes that clears some of the mess up for you. Not really. You seem to have completely missed the point, and I had to clean up your mess for you. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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