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Date:      Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:01:41 -0500 (EST)
From:      Robert Watson <robert@cyrus.watson.org>
To:        RT <tr49986@rcc.on.ca>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: removing f2c from base distribution 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990127085709.4361A-100000@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <007901be491e$f3c3e220$0a00000a@chopper.my.intranet>

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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, RT wrote:

> I highly doubt that I'll ever use FORTRAN directly or indirectly.   If it's
> not used by a vast majority, it should be optional...

So the problem seems to be that 'included in the system' is a problem
because the system gets unwieldy in terms of junk a lot of people don't
use, but 'included as a port' or 'included as a package' means it might be
too detached from the system.  There's quite a list of things on this
list, including UUCP which the majority do not use.  There's also that
list of things which almost everyone use except some people who find it
inconvenient that it's included, such as sendmail.  What might be really
nice is to see all user-land files broken out into whatever the new
package format will be, in the style of RedHat packages for the base
system.  At install, needless to say, you have a default install that
looks just like today's (it installs the packages that map directly to the
current system), but you also have other installs, and the option to flag
things in and out of the install, in the style of existing packages, with
dependencies, etc.

One sad side-effect of this would, of course, be managing the dependencies
(both in source and in binary form)and the screwing up of the existing
build tree if the build tree was to be restructured to match the packages. 
But the RedHat arrangement does have appeal: I understand that even / is
part of a package :).  And I certainly don't have time (and probably not
the understanding) to figure out how to make all this work.  :)

  Robert N Watson 

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