Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:36:10 -0700 From: "Dan Trainor" <dan@ript.org> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 4.5 ISO Not consitant. I must press the issue. Message-ID: <004801c1bef4$76ea78a0$0a00a8c0@broken> In-Reply-To: <03f901c1bef3$d2694810$040f12ac@jboss101440>
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The thing that I fear the most if BSD becoming completely commercialized, like some of the Linux distributions that we've seen in the past (Redhat, Caldera, Corel, pick your name). I'm relatively new to FreeBSD, but I absolutely love the way it is, and hope that the development path stays in the direction that it's going in. I would just hate to see BSD fall where the Linuces (what's the plural for Linux?) did. Does anyone else fear the same? I know that the project does need funding, but selling out should never be a considered option. And the consistency... give me a break. Bill Moran was absolutely right; Windows' networking options have been convoluted and distraught from the start, and they're probably not going to get any better. I do, in fact, prefer a straight command-line rather than a bunch of colorful and worthless icons. The job might be a tad more difficult like that, -dt -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Justin L. Boss Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:32 AM To: Bill Moran; Paul C. Boyle; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 ISO Not consitant. I must press the issue. the more people that use freebsd is to freebsd advantage and the more likely it will become as popular as linux, which means more developers, more money for the project and so on. some people use it for a desk top also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moran" <wmoran@potentialtech.com> To: "Paul C. Boyle" <paulcb_mcse@yahoo.com>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: 4.5 ISO Not consitant. I must press the issue. > On Tuesday 26 February 2002 11:46, Paul C. Boyle wrote: > > I admit I am a newbie using FreeBSD. But I enjoy the community very much. > > I was using the 4.4 install of FreeBSD for a while, I had a few buggy things > > with it like the cdplayer in KDE did not work. Not a big deal really but I > > thought practice installing from scratch is good experience. I got a friend > > to download and burn the 4.5 iso's for me since I only have a 33.6 dial up. > > My problem starts with no KDE internet utilities for dialup on the disks. > > I want to install and get up and running quickly not have to find and learn > > an new dialup tool. Man was I pissed. All of the other KDE packages were > > not on the cd's as well. > > This looks very bad for FreeBSD. > > No it doesn't. A very small percentage of people are going to be as confused > and upset as you are, and they are not the target audience for FreeBSD. > FreeBSD is targeted mainly at sysadmins and computer geeks, not so much > at the average computer user. While it would be better targeted at average > users, when it comes time to decide what goes on CD#1, I'm guessing that > stuff to make life easy for the average user is going to get bumped off in favor > of things that the taget audience (sysadmins) need. > Notice that the iso image for CD#1 fills an entire CD, it's packed as full as it > gets. > However, you could also order a DVD of FreeBSD that has everything you > could ever want on it. > > > There is no consistency from > > one distribution to the next. > > Yes there is. The system is more consistent from the 3.X line to the 4.x line > than Windows is from NT 4 to W2K. > > > All the marketers in the world know that consistency is more important to > > brand loyalty than quality. Just look at MacDonald's. They are consistant. > > Consistantly bad but consistant. And this is why they are still here today. > > People know that they can go into any MD's and get the same thing they got > > in another state or another country. That is why they go back. It is not > > for the quality. > > Interesting assumption. I go to MDs only because it's quick and on the way, > the only time I get upset is when they take a long time. > You're right, at least, in that I don't care about the quality of MDs food. > > > Oh BTW the same goes for Microsoft. > > No it doesn't. Look at the network configuration for Win NT and the > network config for W2K, they're completely _inconsistent_. > However, I didn't have to retrain anyone to use the ifconfig command > because they were used to using FreeBSD 3.x. > > > Consistentcy not quality. > > I'm familiar with that theory and it's success, but I think you're trying to > apply it to the wrong thing. > > > Just imagine if the guy at FreeBSD got hold of this little concept of > > consistency. > > It does, to the degree that it can. > > > We have the quality. > > And we have consistency in the quality, and the interface. > > You know, if you think there's such a large market for FreeBSD CDs > targeted at the average user, there's nothing stopping you from cutting > your own release. > > -- > Bill Moran > Potential Technology technical services > http://www.potentialtech.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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