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Date:      Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:30:57 -0800
From:      Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>
To:        Charles Sprickman <spork@bway.net>
Cc:        parv <parv@pair.com>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de>, Greg Byshenk <freebsd@byshenk.net>
Subject:   Re: push a few config files to dozen or so servers
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In-Reply-To: <0B3C5275-47A3-400F-945D-E25EDB46A6C5@bway.net>
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On Feb 7, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> =
wrote:
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>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 5:31 PM, parv <parv@pair.com> wrote:
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>>> in message <6CC9FCD8-EB12-4DD1-A76E-8F43C044340F@ultra-secure.de>,
>>> wrote Rainer Duffner thusly...
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>>> ...
>>>> I???ve always wanted to try ansible, which looks like it has
>>>> decent support for FreeBSD.
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>>>> Anybody got experience with that?
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>>> =46rom Dan L (not me) ...
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>>> http://dan.langille.org/2013/12/22/ansible-versus-salt/
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>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=3Dfrom%3Adlangille%20ansible&src=3Dtypd
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>>> - parv
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>> One of the reasons I've been looking at Salt recently is because of =
this post in December 2014 by Craig Rodrigues, who set up and maintains =
the FreeBSD project's Jenkins cluster:
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>> 	=
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-testing/2014-December/000693.h=
tml
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>> Going by that post, it seems that he is leaning towards using Salt to =
manage the cluster.
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>> My hope is that if jenkins.freebsd.org is using Salt for =
infrastructure management then perhaps FreeBSD support might get a boost =
in the Salt community.
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>> I'm previously familiar with Puppet and am looking at Salt at the =
moment.  There are similar concepts between the two, e.g., pillars =3D =
hiera; grains =3D facter; etc.
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> Devops is a lovely thing, and I see the appeal, and it=92s nice =
there=92s a community building all manner of software to assist in =
managing large groups of servers. =20
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> <rant>
> But the trend of developers coming up with cute and/or clever names =
for concepts, configuration items, and behaviors simply has to stop.  It =
serves no purpose but to be cute.  One could even call it intentional =
documentation obfuscation.  It annoys me to no end.
> </rant>

One could say the same about any specialized vernacular used.  Why say =
"float bowl" or "pilot jet" when talking about carbeurtors as opposed to =
a more descriptive term such as "the area in the carb where fuel =
accumulates to supply the jets with fuel which is metered by a float =
device".  Well obviously because it's part of the lexicon of carburetor =
work.

Same has to be done for things such as devops tools, even when all they =
are doing is combining commonly used things into a single thing. =20

Knee jerk reaction to being upset that a new term is being said when you =
don't know what it is.  It's better to control that reaction and look =
towards what can be learned from it.



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> So what is in use for the jenkins cluster, anyone know?
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> And any totally FreeBSD-centric HOWTOs on either ansible or salt?
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> Charles
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>> I haven't looked at Ansible very closely, but it seems that Salt also =
covers the same ground in its strong focus on orchestration.
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>> I think all these systems are very good in their own right, but in =
the end community support for your preferred OS is paramount.  I'm =
hoping that FreeBSD looking at using Salt for the Jenkins cluster might =
boost FreeBSD support in the Salt community.
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>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Paul.
>>=20
>>=20
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