Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 07:08:25 -0500 From: Brandon Allbery <allbery.b@gmail.com> To: Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) Message-ID: <CAKFCL4X9Phm_4DO4baZP4JPu3%2BeXxBuDE2oOZ48Ga-LUHeFRkg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee> References: <JDv17dtjl93rFR9A8XB9qHlawC2oW7JmmXWsnMKq2r51p61si48CAAOzIBi6pY_nTMdJ7zCvSL6M-Hics-CrqLhDJjZP2SG0v1zEHqH8Ug4=@stevengharms.com> <CAFYkXjmN7ma1GDuFP5p3KdHJtoO9Yri-iNLtuOL6mDKx91CBhA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnEW8G03VKw4B77-aMQFnPLH7RZQApxWqCZpts5rpQWiA@mail.gmail.com> <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com> <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee>
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--000000000000af073b062d27a2ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Sulev-Madis Silber < freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote: > i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i > haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about > "machine scribberish"? > systemd-journald captures all the logs and you use journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbsd. > also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it > boots over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. th= at > was for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspen= d > doesn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented. so > people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for some > time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times inde= ed > need blank screens with nice images > Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues in the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH. --=20 brandon s allbery kf8nh allbery.b@gmail.com --000000000000af073b062d27a2ed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Su= lev-Madis Silber <<a href=3D"mailto:freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas= .si.pri.ee">freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee</a>> wrote:</= div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"g= mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204= ,204,204);padding-left:1ex">i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they= are more common on laptops. i haven't heard them hiding all and nor do= i hear massive complaints about "machine scribberish"?<br></bloc= kquote><div><br></div><div>systemd-journald captures all the logs and you u= se journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbs= d.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:= 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">= also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it boo= ts over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. that wa= s for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspend do= esn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented= . so people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for som= e time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times inde= ed need blank screens with nice images<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>= Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues i= n the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH.</div></div= ><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div d= ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"= ><div>brandon s allbery kf8nh</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:allbery.b@gmail.c= om" target=3D"_blank">allbery.b@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div></div>= </div> --000000000000af073b062d27a2ed--
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