Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 22:24:58 +0000 From: Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> To: Greg V <greg@unrelenting.technology> Cc: x11-list freebsd <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Does either Gnome or KDE support Wayland on FreeBSD? [EOM] Message-ID: <89955f02-073c-1dbd-22cc-b7f8c7b7e3c6@gjunka.com> In-Reply-To: <1530547841.1450.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> References: <e1910705-ec89-be50-1317-6f0ad95f61cf@gjunka.com> <CAECmPwv7g5iCKMa4UrLqcXq6VS-5CHFJT31w-uzheg3y%2BLz9-Q@mail.gmail.com> <3f7629b0-1947-4bd3-f4fa-eb685dc2046b@gjunka.com> <1530481686.15209.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> <ae5fa504-5d7c-fe83-b0d6-ffff362bd2f1@gjunka.com> <1530547841.1450.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology>
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On 02/07/2018 16:10, Greg V wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> wrote: >> >> On 01/07/2018 21:48, Greg V wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 30/06/2018 20:37, Johannes Lundberg wrote: >>>>> I don˙t know about Gnome or KDE but GTK3 apps work with Wayland. >>>>> It needs ports built with custom options though. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Building ports isn't a problem, however I don't understand how >>>> particular apps can work with Wayland. I thought that they would >>>> need to run inside Weston or some other compositor, which in turn >>>> runs on Wayland? Is the X server in that configuration running as >>>> a Wayland client with with the GTK3 apps running outside of the X >>>> server (i.e. are managed by the compositor directly)? >>> >>> Yes, you can run them inside e.g. Weston or Sway. >>> >>> Compositors don't run "on" Wayland, Wayland is a protocol. >>> The compositor is the display server, it implements the server side >>> of Wayland. >>> (Compositors can run in windowed mode under X or under another >>> Wayland compositor, for development/debugging purposes.) >>> >>> For backwards compatibility, the X server is indeed running as a >>> Wayland client, this is called Xwayland, this is optional. >>> >>> About KDE: I think KDE's kwin_wayland is available now too, but I'm >>> not sure if it would run directly as the main display server (not >>> windowed mode) right now on FreeBSD without additional patches >>> (because of vt/session management stuff -- though maybe ConsoleKit2 >>> might work?). >>> >> >> Thanks Greg for the clarification. Let me rephrase it to see if I got >> it right. Currently FreeBSD supports Wayland compositor in windowed >> mode under X and this is how the GTK3 applications are running. It >> might support Wayland as the main display server (not windowed), i.e. >> using KDE's kwin_wayland, but the status is currently not known. > > I'm currently running Weston as the main display server, so that is > known :) > Well, my fork of weston actually: https://github.com/myfreeweb/weston > Sway 0.x also worked, 1.x (master) should work too, unless they broke > something. > > The only unknown is KDE KWin ("might just work with ConsoleKit2?"). > I guess I should look into that, but I'm busy with other stuff.. > > GNOME is definitely not supported ("needs patching to support > ConsoleKit2 or some other alternative to systemd-logind"). > That's actually the main porting issue in general, many compositors > use logind, some (like gnome) *only* use logind. > >> If that's correct, then assuming that I compiled my ports with >> support for Wayland enabled, and assuming further that I have 11.2 >> installed, what else would I need to do to be able to test this? >> >> I guess I need to compile and install drm-next-kmod or >> drm-stable-kmod. Will either work on generic 11.2 or I need a custom >> kernel? I guess again that the later should work with the generic >> kernel but it will only supports Polaris Radeon cards. If I recall >> correctly Hans Petter Selasky was working on merging support for >> Radeon Vega (Linux kernel 4.15) into 11-STABLE (future 11.3). If that >> is correct and the merge was completed then I could compile a custom >> 11-STABLE kernel and together with the 11.2 userland be able to test >> windowed Wayland on Vega? > > For windowed mode, you don't need anything special. > > But for *anything on Vega*, you do need drm-next-kmod. > > LinuxKPI updates required for drm-next-kmod 4.15 have indeed been > merged into 11-STABLE: > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=335436 > > Vega support is still not as stable as <=Polaris, btw: > > https://github.com/FreeBSDDesktop/kms-drm/issues/76 > https://github.com/FreeBSDDesktop/kms-drm/issues/71 Thanks for the pointers. I will be setting up the new system during the next few weeks and will try to compile everything as stated. It will be interesting to see if/how it currently works. I will surely have more questions when the time comes.... GrzegorzJ
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