Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:11:35 -0700 From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: Olivier Certner <olivier.freebsd@free.fr> Cc: Glen Barber <gjb@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Release Engineering Team <re@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <ZVeQt2PmE11HLAu7@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: <1965344.ruP0FAUDoQ@ravel> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <e86e5e6f-e986-410f-bdb2-8d4273f2815e@FreeBSD.org> <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> <1965344.ruP0FAUDoQ@ravel>
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On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:00:07AM +0100, Olivier Certner wrote: > Hi Glen, > > > I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, > > installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race > > condition with which we have to live at the moment. > > Yes, and given that, I don't think you did anything wrong. > > It seems that the race is the same for freebsd-update(8), according to "The Doctor". But maybe in this case it is easier to fix, perhaps if installing the metadata signaling the new release to it can be delayed, by contrast with big files containing the actual data (I don't know how freebsd-update(8) works, so this is just a guess). > > > The alternative would be to say nothing at all. > > I really hope you and re@ will never choose this way. > > > Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is > > a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above > > context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights > > delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when > > there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled > > announcement date. > > IMHO, a delay should always be announced (perhaps unless it's only a few days). If it is too hard to decide on the right level of details, then only mention that some (potential or verified) problem is being looked upon, but don't let that prevent you from communicating. > > As for people saying that they have already installed the "release", I'd suggest to have some text on the website (https://www.freebsd.org/releng/ perhaps) explaining that images on mirrors can appear in advance of release announcements and that they should not be considered as official until the official mail is sent, and just kindly point them to it. I hope this can contribute to at least attenuating the drain you're experiencing. > > Regards. > > -- > Olivier Certner > > just a suggestion for the future is that to have some sort of gpg/gpg check in freebsd-update . -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen Lest we forget 11 Nov 2023 Beware https://mindspring.com
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