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Date:      Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:01:14 -0500
From:      "Norman C. Rice" <nrice@emu.sourcee.com>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Web Page Restrictions
Message-ID:  <19971125090114.25104@emu.sourcee.com>
In-Reply-To: <19971125191436.37494@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 07:14:36PM %2B1030
References:  <01bcf97d$4a946a40$49588a0a@wujie.bj.ciet.cn.net> <19971125191436.37494@lemis.com>

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Greg,

I appreciate your voluntary contributions and understand your requirements.
I believe the format problems stem from "word processor mentality." Every 
keyboard has a mechanism for inserting a delimiter at the end of
the line; and AFAIK, it is not disabled in any mailer. IMHO, if you're 
willing to volunteer your time and knowledge, it is reasonable that 
respondents use the appropriate format.

Rick,
I also appreciate your efforts, but (IMHO) the flames and profanity are not
constructive.

-- 
Regards,
Norman C. Rice, Jr.

On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 07:14:36PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 04:36:57PM +0800, Wu Jie wrote:
> > Hi, Greg,
> >
> > Unfortunately, you are wrong again. You know why you saw some odd characters
> > last time in my email? You shouldn't have made any conclusion before careful
> > investigation. Pulling your hair and biting your nail you can't guess why.
> > It's not because the **broken configuration** of my **broken mailer**, it's
> > only because the default character set of my OutLook Express is not English.
> > Although I prefer FreeBSD and don't like Micro$oft, but OutLook Express is
> > ok, why not use it? Don't be so biased and cranky.
> 
> Sorry, Wujie, but that's not correct.  We see the same problems in
> purely US versions of Microsoft Outlook.
> 
> > Oh, you list so many mailers: "Microsoft Mail",  Microsoft Outlook,  Mozilla
> > (Netscape), exmh. Why don't you call Netscape to stop developing its
> > mailer?
> 
> Do you think they'd listen to me?  They know it's broken, and they're
> leaving it that way because they're in competition with Microsoft.
> 
> > It's the world of web now, people get used to hypertext non-line-break
> > style, what makes you deep immersed in the old command-line-break world?
> 
> I thought I was on the Internet, not on a private Microsoft network.
> I will certainly work to keep it that way.  On the Internet, the RFCs
> define what is correct, and these mailers contravene the
> specifications by reformatting both on sending and on reception.
> 
> > Greg, I am not, I think Rick Morel is also not, willing to raise an
> > argument. 
> 
> You could have fooled me.
> 
> > We just want to say, it's the Internet, the "Blue Ribbon" "free
> > speech" cyberspace, people have their rights to use whatever style in their
> > email.
> 
> OK.  Let's accept that.
> 
> > Please don't send the impolite "i tell you, you should add line
> > breaks" sentences anymore even if you'd not like to offer help to
> > the people asking questions.
> 
> Well, the fact is that I *do* answer a lot of questions.  But I'm not
> doing it any more for people who can't send out a legible mail
> message.  And many of them understand the problem, but don't know that
> their mailer is broken.  In fact, the guy I sent today's message to
> thanked me for telling him.
> 
> As for impoliteness, I think you should re-read the message, then
> re-read yours and Rick's.
> 
> Greg
> 



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