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Date:      Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:37:49 -0500
From:      Mark Mayo <mark@vmunix.com>
To:        John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [hackers:] Architectural advice needed
Message-ID:  <19971208233749.58568@vmunix.com>
In-Reply-To: <19971208194209.62841@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>; from John-Mark Gurney on Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 07:42:09PM -0800
References:  <199712082204.OAA23754@implode.root.com> <348C78C4.6F5992E1@whistle.com> <19971208204221.23659@vmunix.com> <19971208194209.62841@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>

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On Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 07:42:09PM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
> Mark Mayo scribbled this message on Dec 8:
> > One thing that would have really helped us out that I now see in the
> > win95/Mac netscape and mickeysoft conferencing tools is the
> > "blackboard" thing - you can scribble and write on a blackboard
> > that is shared by all members of the conference. I don't think this is
> > present in the Unix version of Netscape 4.0 though... Bummer.
> 
> why not use sdr, whiteboard, and vat??  I've recieved quite good
> resposne at home (over a 28.8k) from Luigi (in Europe) using GSM on
> vat (I could hear him type :) )...  but the other way was to overloaded
> for me to chat with him...

Hmm. I went searching for these and they're all in the /usr/ports/mbone
directory.. I've never tried mbone stuff before, so I didn't know
about them! :-)

Am I getting this right?

1. vat - audio conferencing
2. vic - video conferencing
3. wb  - the shared whiteboard thing (cool!)
4. sdr - a session thing, I'm assuming like a "directory" of user on
			the mbone
5. imm - send images and stuff mbone style

Wow. That's everthing one could hope for! It would be neat to tie
them all into one package/application (but that sort of defeats
the Unix philosophy..).

Stupid mbone question: Can anyone with a TCP/IP (i.e. PPP) connection
"get on" the mbone?? I'm a bit confused as to what this mbone thing
is exactly. I've seen big maps of "The Mbone", where the little red
lines don't come anywhere near where I live.. :-)
This multicast stuff seems quite neat. I'm going to do some research - right
now it's just buzzword overload!

If I can't be part of the multicast mbone, can I at least use the above
tools "point to point"?

Anyways, as i mentioned on another post, if no-one has already done it,
I'm going to create a FreeBSD Conferencing Tools web page and give
overviews of all the tools, technology, and so on so the whole thing
isn't so overwhelming for new users :-)

-Mark

P.S. Damn it's hard to concentrate on exams now.. it's like I've walked
into a whole new world!!!

> 
> I'm looking at moving into the university dorms, and once I do, then
> I can have all the fun of multicast...
> 
> > One thing is for certain, conferencing tools will almost certainly
> > represent a pretty big market in the years to come. Especially once we
> > start getting ADSL and cable modem rollouts so you can have an audio/video
> > link happening. The FreeBSD project, IMHO, is a shining example of what
> > can be accomplished through the Net, and the success is remarkable given
> > the relatively primitive tools used!
> 
> yep...  once the higher speed connections come out.. then we can use
> the Bt848 and a camera for video conferencing.. :)
> 
> > If it doesn't already exist, an X conferencing tool certainly seems like
> > a neat program "waiting to be created" by some spirited programmer
> > out there! :-)
> 
> yep, they all pretty much exist...  the ones that don't exist are the
> ones that don't require X... :(
> 
> -- 
>   John-Mark Gurney                          Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954
>   Cu Networking
> 
>   Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD

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